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Sam Harris is the author of The New York Times bestsellers, "The End of Faith: Religion, Terror and the Future of Reason" which won the 2005 PEN/Martha Albrand Award for First Nonfiction, and "Letter to a Christian Nation". His writing has appeared in Newsweek, Los Angeles Times, The Atlantic, The Times (London), The Boston Globe, The Annals of Neurology, and elsewhere. He is currently researching the neural basis of religious belief while completing a doctorate in neuroscience. He is also a Co-Founder and Chairman of The Reason Project.
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imo religion isn't 'bad' or 'good'. to oversimplify - it is an amplifier. It can amplify good and bad. Democracy is the opposite. Democracy slows everything down. The slow process of democracy makes 'bad' things harder to accomplish, you catch on earlier too it, and people naturally want what is best for everyone. Thus religion isn't 'bad' its 'risky' and we have a much better gamble with democracy. This is due to the pyramid/top down structure of religion. Which is less strong in G1 nations.
In the same way that there is nothing intrinsically bad about a dictatorship. The benevolent dictator would have both your concerns in mind, and a very high level of efficiency. However the efficiency is not worth the gamble (making a mistake, changing outlook, or dying and being replaced by a not-so-benevolent-dictator). Businesses are run as a sort of 'benevolent dictator' but they are accountable to the laws democratically decided upon.
@lubermanl +Businesses are run as a sort of 'benevolent dictator' but they are accountable to the laws democratically decided upon.+ And as long as competition is not restricted, then consumers vote with their spending dollar. Another argument for "one dollar one vote".
@lubermanl +Thus religion isn't 'bad' its 'risky' + But risky is bad, which is why the free wheeling risky business that caused the global meltdown is bad. Religion too by its risky structure is bad. If religion was to adopt a democratic posture, it would probably lose its "bad" side. Till then its bad.
The positive side of terrorism is it has given a new emphasis on a need to dismantle religion. Religion itself causes much more harm than a few terrorist strikes, in the same way as the US road toll kills three times the number killed in 9/11 each year.
What annoys me about Muslims is the way their own societies are rife with corruption, as in Afghanistan, and you have Muslims screwing over other Muslims for money, power or whatever. They ruin themselves, then they turn around and point the finger at the West. Well, piss off and clean up your own backyard.
Power mongering is what Islam seems to be about, and terrorist groups are nothing more than gangster organizations in disguise.
> What annoys me about Muslims is the way > their own societies are rife with corruption...
Many muslims and even many westerners say that is our fault - that between colonialism and propping up regimes friendly to our interests we have created corrupt islamic states. It is a crock. The number 1 reason for corruption in islamic states is that the quran is used as a Constitution. Savage, immature, 7th century, Arabian tribalism, the basis of the quran, is the source of the corruption.
@frid9999 +The number 1 reason for corruption in islamic states is that the quran is used as a Constitution. Savage, immature, 7th century,+ Here, here! Another proof of this is the arabs once were the greatest scientists, then they adopted muslim philosophy, and they became primitives and lost any semblance of science. Then Islam has the temerity to cliam the secular arab science is Islamic. LOL.
His point that taking religion might not be the best way to handle terrorism seemed like a good point.
If my neighbour believes that yelling at 2am is part of his religious beliefs... my best bet get some sleep is likely not getting him to give up religion, but to suggest practicing somewhere else, to symbolically yell, to invest in a sound-proof room, etc.
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Thus religion isn't 'bad' its 'risky' and we have a much better gamble with democracy. This is due to the pyramid/top down structure of religion. Which is less strong in G1 nations.
+Businesses are run as a sort of 'benevolent dictator' but they are accountable to the laws democratically decided upon.+
And as long as competition is not restricted, then consumers vote with their spending dollar. Another argument for "one dollar one vote".
+Thus religion isn't 'bad' its 'risky' +
But risky is bad, which is why the free wheeling risky business that caused the global meltdown is bad. Religion too by its risky structure is bad. If religion was to adopt a democratic posture, it would probably lose its "bad" side. Till then its bad.
Power mongering is what Islam seems to be about, and terrorist groups are nothing more than gangster organizations in disguise.
Keep up the good work, Sam.
> their own societies are rife with corruption...
Many muslims and even many westerners say that is our fault - that between colonialism and propping up regimes friendly to our interests we have created corrupt islamic states. It is a crock. The number 1 reason for corruption in islamic states is that the quran is used as a Constitution. Savage, immature, 7th century, Arabian tribalism, the basis of the quran, is the source of the corruption.
+The number 1 reason for corruption in islamic states is that the quran is used as a Constitution. Savage, immature, 7th century,+
Here, here!
Another proof of this is the arabs once were the greatest scientists, then they adopted muslim philosophy, and they became primitives and lost any semblance of science. Then Islam has the temerity to cliam the secular arab science is Islamic. LOL.
His point that taking religion might not be the best way to handle terrorism seemed like a good point.
If my neighbour believes that yelling at 2am is part of his religious beliefs... my best bet get some sleep is likely not getting him to give up religion, but to suggest practicing somewhere else, to symbolically yell, to invest in a sound-proof room, etc.