How Does Jim Jeffries Rank?
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@MrBumboclart Possibly during his early days in Galveston. Like I say Johnson matured a lot as a fighter after he lost to Joe Choynski. Word is Choynski told Johnson that a fighter with his skill should not be getting hit with clean punches. Outside of losing a decision to Marvin Hart, Johnson more or less went undefeated for a long time. Who knows about his defeat to Hart, was it a legit decision? I think Johnson was the best heavyweight until Joe Louis burst onto the scene.
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@sinusbradycardia When he was a green back-room bar fighter...
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Also remember Jack Johnson was ko'ed by a 160 fighter by the name of Joe Choynski.
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It is pretty incredible that a man that big, with no PED to help him, could ran pretty damn fast and could leap vertically 6 ft. Guess what, he could slam. From what I heard in the terms of brute strength no fighter was stronger and was knock out proof. He fell more from exhaustion against Johnson that any one punch. Jeff could be out boxed. If he would have fought Johnson early in Johnson' career he would've probably beaten him, but as Johnson developed and matured he would've taken Jeff.
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@CassiusAli67 Actually the ref Alex Greggins was the only judge in the Hart vs Johnson fight. A proclaimed
racist. Most accounts of the fight I have read say Johnson won easily but eased up in the last few rounds.
When Greggins was asked about the decision he said " I always award the fight to the gamer man. Johnson dogged it." Sounds like Johnson was robbed big time.
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thats very interesting information. Can you tell us where you get some of your info from.
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This vid seems kinda dated. He talks about polls listing Jeffries at no 1 then says the last of these was conducted in 1945. Most oldtimers appear to rank according to the colour of a fighter's skin, judging by the comparatively low rankings of Johnson and Louis, who today would be ranked arguably the top two from this period. Jeffries was marble-hard, a puncher. I say he'd have crushed Marciano, maybe Frazier, possibly Foreman. Ali's mobility and speed would have given him nightmares though.
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@CassiusAli67 I think you're right about this. There are very few photos of the two together despite the fact that Louis fought several times in New York City, where Dempsey lived at the time. A shame if true as they were both fine gentlemen.
im up in the air between Dempsey and Jeff..who was better?...I saw most of Dempseys fights, and he was definitely an aggressive fighter, but his weaknesses were his size, and his lack of title defenses...he only had 6 defenses over a period of 7 years..he actually had a 3 year layoff before his loss to Tunney...Meanwhile, Jeff had the size, and beat all comers...Cleaned out the division..and retired on top undefeated...Should have never fought Johnson..left his only blemish..I gotta say Jeff
jliles27 1 year ago
@jliles27 - Tough call. I inclined to say Jeffries.
jhs1958 1 year ago
Jeffries was a boss!
Rockyfan10060 1 year ago
@Rockyfan10060 Correction -- Jeffries was THE boss !
jhs1958 1 year ago