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[Loiginer]

To become again ONE church, Rome must abandomn their heresies and become Orthodox!

[lingualpfeife]

The dialogue between the Catholic and Orthodox church is more complicate. It would be sooooooo easy to say each other "turn around and come to me, then the curch will be united". There´s no sense because the reality is different. I think the very best way is to pray for the union. Humen aren´t able but God is!

[lingualpfeife]

mir wäre es ein Rätsel, welchen Einfluss der Papst an diesem Punkt haben sollte...

[TubaGlider2]

Don't spread just any christianity. Spread Orthodoxy. It's not a matter of ethnicity anymore, it's a matter of saving the world from the horrors of islamic theocracies!

[Loiginer]

I will be very glad if someone could pass me the sheets of this for CHOIR

I will translate to portuguese, then we could use in our liturgies!

THANK YOU!

[1990RFD]

@OneHolyTrinity The Church must have some sort of physical basis, because it is a community made up of human beings, not just spiritual entities. You'll find that the Church's "physical" body is the less physical body possible, since it is not based on some racial parameter (as the old israelite community) or national (as people of all nationalities are its members). And you'll see that the movements that sought to dismember such a body were deep down an attack on christianity itself.

[1990RFD]

@Loiginer Their factical agreement with Constantinople (if it was indeed as unanimous as some people say) has no bearing whatsoever on their relationship with Rome unless they had been canonically submited to Constantinople, and if that was the case, then the eastern patriarchates and their local bishopries were not as independent as it is commonly said, in which case Rome's claim to supremacy is strengthened and thus the excommunication by the Patriarchate of Constantinople is radically void.

[1990RFD]

@ukerkater The miracle is the survival of the whole Church, both Catholic and Orthodox halves. Islamic attacks were certainly not confined to Orthodox christians (Hungary, Austria, Poland, Italy and Spain suffered them greatly) and the attacks on the Orthodox were also met by westerners (remember the cause of the First Crusade, the Emperor's appeal to the Pope). Communism was brought down by John Paul II (the Catholic Pope) and Ronald Reagan (a Catholic president).

[ukerkater]

@1990RFD Interesting point--that Pope Innocent III wept publicly, yet neither he, nor generations of his successors were moved enough to return Holy Orthodox relics that were plundered in 1204. Many Orthodox relics and icons can still be found in the Vatican. The survival of the Orthodox Church is truly a miracle. Despite attacks on the Church by Islam, Communism and even our R. Catholic "'brothers" we thrive and continue to uphold the original faith.

[Loiginer]

@1990RFD

The other Patriarchates still remain Orthodox, because they agree with Constantinople...

[1990RFD]

@Loiginer The sacking of Constantinople by the 4th crusade was strongly reprimanded by Pope Innocent III, and it was actually the only time he was seen to cry in public. Still, an excommunication needed certain requirements to be met in order to be valid according to canon law, which were not met on that occasion. Also, an excommunication made by the Patriarchate of Constantinople could not affect the other Patriarchates's relationship to Rome or to other western bishopries.

[Loiginer]

@1990RFD

Of course, in the 4º cruzade that latins were really excommunicate...

Whatever, it don't changes the Orthodox Faith, Rome must come, just it...

[1990RFD]

@Loiginer In 1054, the date commonly accepted as the schism's, the Pope's envoys (not the whole Church) were excommunicated by a constantinopolitan synod, because the Pope's envoys excommunicated the Patriarch of Constantinople first. We should see whether the synod could effectively excommunicate them according to canon law, being them alien to the synod's jurisdiction, envoys to the Bishop of Rome, and the synod acting without iusta causa according to canon law. Such an act sounds void to me.

[1990RFD]

@Loiginer In 1054 A.D., the date commonly accepted as the schism's, the Pope's envoys (not the whole Church) were excommunicated by a constantinopolitan synod, because the Pope's envoys excommunicated the Patriarch of Constantinople first. We should see whether the synod could effectively excommunicate them according to canon law, being them alien to the synod's jurisdiction, envoys to the Bishop of Rome, and the synod acting without iusta causa according to canon law. Such an act sounds void.