@brochill69 To round this out, no one is saying that high salary = guarantee wins, look at the Cubs and the White Sox (greater Chicago areas); it just makes it more probable. Certainly Charlie Manuel is a good manager, and certainly Tampa Bay's pathetic salary might get them the Wild Card, but can't we say fans of TB's solace in winning is greater than that of the big-salary teams, like Boston, NYY, Philadelphia, Anaheim? In closing -> there is no jealousy to be had. If my favorite team
@brochill69 the 2011 Phillies are dry humping the luxury tax, and they may have gone over it with Hunter Pence. Vast majority of teams can't even come close to the payroll ceiling before the tax, and the 2011 Phillies have so much money they couldn't care less. K, so, the Phillies have a high team salary (they have been in the top 10 for the last 5+ years, so your description of 'didn't have a large payroll' is incorrect.), how is their win record? Mind-blowingly high, just like their salary.
@brochill69 Sellout due to population = revenue / payroll = wins. Now look at the average baseball club, like say, Tampa Bay: Wins = sellout = revenue / payroll. Do you see the disadvantage nearly all clubs have? This is NOT coincidental. Look at Kansas City being -$173 million below Philadelphia. By the way, you can fit about 5 baseball team salaries in that $173M. Look at the Yankees, who have so much money they disregard the luxury tax and pay it to have anyone they want. By the by,
@brochill69 I think you have the win = sellout = revenue cause & effect all jumbled. Citizen Bank Park fills all the time and has a very high attendance since its inception. It will continue to do so as long as the city of Philadelphia remains in an enormous metropolitan area that connects city after city and spans for miles. Even if they were terrible, there's still enough people in the area to nearly fill the stadium every game. This is more appropriate:
@brochill69 **Obligatory you're the idiot, you're the ignorant one, etc, etc** Every "argument" I see is the same: "Lee came, so it's okay!" "we have home-grown players, so it's okay!" It's not OK. Whether Philadelphia's - or anyone's - players had their talent built while on that team or whether their talent was taken from elsewhere, to have all that talent in one place is disgusting, unfair, bullshit, and only possible in ballparks where there is a lot of money.
@Arcexey You're an idiot. The only player they "bought" was Lee and he came to Philly for a lot less money than what New York offered him. Everyone else has either been homegrown or traded for. Most of their lineup is the same lineup that started the streak of 5 consecutive division titles in 07 when they didn't have a large payroll. Wins = sellouts = revenue = larger payroll. I understand haters are going to hate the best but take your jealously and ignorance someplace else.
@4lokoesnojoko11 you don't...care that they have... an unfair advantage... by having more money... to buy better players... you just want them to win.... Alright good day.
@Arcexey cliff lee wanted to play for a better team. he could've went to the yankees who have a higher pay roll then the phillies if not a close pay roll. but he chose the phillies because they are competitors to help him win a world series. and i dont give a dam if they have the highest pay roll i just want them to be successful like they were in this video
@brochill69 had an enormous payroll and consistently won because of it, I would have no satisfaction in their victory.
Arcexey 5 months ago
@brochill69 To round this out, no one is saying that high salary = guarantee wins, look at the Cubs and the White Sox (greater Chicago areas); it just makes it more probable. Certainly Charlie Manuel is a good manager, and certainly Tampa Bay's pathetic salary might get them the Wild Card, but can't we say fans of TB's solace in winning is greater than that of the big-salary teams, like Boston, NYY, Philadelphia, Anaheim? In closing -> there is no jealousy to be had. If my favorite team
Arcexey 5 months ago
@brochill69 the 2011 Phillies are dry humping the luxury tax, and they may have gone over it with Hunter Pence. Vast majority of teams can't even come close to the payroll ceiling before the tax, and the 2011 Phillies have so much money they couldn't care less. K, so, the Phillies have a high team salary (they have been in the top 10 for the last 5+ years, so your description of 'didn't have a large payroll' is incorrect.), how is their win record? Mind-blowingly high, just like their salary.
Arcexey 5 months ago
@brochill69 Sellout due to population = revenue / payroll = wins. Now look at the average baseball club, like say, Tampa Bay: Wins = sellout = revenue / payroll. Do you see the disadvantage nearly all clubs have? This is NOT coincidental. Look at Kansas City being -$173 million below Philadelphia. By the way, you can fit about 5 baseball team salaries in that $173M. Look at the Yankees, who have so much money they disregard the luxury tax and pay it to have anyone they want. By the by,
Arcexey 5 months ago
@brochill69 I think you have the win = sellout = revenue cause & effect all jumbled. Citizen Bank Park fills all the time and has a very high attendance since its inception. It will continue to do so as long as the city of Philadelphia remains in an enormous metropolitan area that connects city after city and spans for miles. Even if they were terrible, there's still enough people in the area to nearly fill the stadium every game. This is more appropriate:
Arcexey 5 months ago
@brochill69 **Obligatory you're the idiot, you're the ignorant one, etc, etc** Every "argument" I see is the same: "Lee came, so it's okay!" "we have home-grown players, so it's okay!" It's not OK. Whether Philadelphia's - or anyone's - players had their talent built while on that team or whether their talent was taken from elsewhere, to have all that talent in one place is disgusting, unfair, bullshit, and only possible in ballparks where there is a lot of money.
Arcexey 5 months ago
@Arcexey You're an idiot. The only player they "bought" was Lee and he came to Philly for a lot less money than what New York offered him. Everyone else has either been homegrown or traded for. Most of their lineup is the same lineup that started the streak of 5 consecutive division titles in 07 when they didn't have a large payroll. Wins = sellouts = revenue = larger payroll. I understand haters are going to hate the best but take your jealously and ignorance someplace else.
brochill69 5 months ago
@Arcexey sounds... about... right...
4lokoesnojoko11 5 months ago
@4lokoesnojoko11 you don't...care that they have... an unfair advantage... by having more money... to buy better players... you just want them to win.... Alright good day.
Arcexey 5 months ago
@Arcexey cliff lee wanted to play for a better team. he could've went to the yankees who have a higher pay roll then the phillies if not a close pay roll. but he chose the phillies because they are competitors to help him win a world series. and i dont give a dam if they have the highest pay roll i just want them to be successful like they were in this video
4lokoesnojoko11 5 months ago