John MacArthur Defends Credobaptism

John MacArthur Defends Credobaptism

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[Soaptivated]

@coconut888 "Fighting" for the last word? If you hadn't initated this debate/argument/fight with Reformed Baptists in an effort to reform them into Reformed Covenentalists there wouldn't be an issue. I'm guessing you missed Mac's discussion of the supposed relationship between circumcision covenants & baptism at around 36 minutes of this video. Preach for 50+ yrs, author 100+ books, become the president of a seminary & a college, then maybe you'll convince me, but by then I'll be in glory. :)

[coconut888]

@Soaptivated finally... if you're fighting for the last word, i'll leave it to you.

i usual DON'T engage in theo. talk on blogs etc. i am a sem. grad & youth pastor focusing my time bringing people to the truth of the gospel. Xp or not.

in this i felt compelled to inform your ?'s. but this is an ex. of why ppl see a bad rap for Xp's. my heart is to answer your ?'s honestly. hope you see it. beloved, wheat & tares r reality. Jesus will sort it all for all churches. yes? with love.

[coconut888]

@Soaptivated well soaptivated, baptism is not salvific. the thief on the cross was not baptized. but in regards to the text acts 2:39 in peter's sermon harkens to deut. 10:15-16 which speaks of circumcision.

with paul. he himself baptized in households (1 cor. 1:16), not just adults. we cannot deny other passages.

john baptized with H20 & said Jesus would with Spirit. there is a diff. with the visible sign and invisible reality. piper says only God knows for sure. we are seed sowers.

[Soaptivated]

@c888 And just for clarification regarding your comment: "i would exhort you to understand that the Reformed do not see infant baptism as decisional regeneration."

Never said that they do, but they are similar IN THAT countless people are led to believe that by praying a simple prayer or having been baptized as an infant IS SALVIC, when in fact, they are still unregenerated. Lutherans do it as well. It makes for a lot of tares among the wheat. They go out because they were never of us.

[Soaptivated]

@c888 Acts 2:38 & Acts 22:16 suggest to me that repentence & belief, followed by baptism, is salvic & something an infant cannot do.

James White...yet another well-known Reformed Baptist.

But may I suggest that you would better serve our Lord & advance the kindgom by seeking the lost instead of debating internal doctrine with other Christians on a worldwide stage? I DO believe YT is a modern-day Corinth...factions, factions, factions.

[coconut888]

@Soaptivated BTW, just a gentle point of clarification. covenantalists do not consider themselves "replacement" theologians. i abhor the label. simply put, covenantal theology believes in fulfillment of the covenants which incorporated the world into the church which was the remnant of israel.

i hope you would see the difference and honor this distinction beloved.

[coconut888]

@Soaptivated i am surprised you replied! if you are truly unteachable then i would say that i respect your vigor, but i respectfully disagree with you on this.

you are however right to distinguish between the "Reformed" and the "Reformed Baptist". they are different.

augustine distinguished the difference between the visible church and invisible. just like not all circumcised believed. in fact, so did Jesus (mt. 7:21-23). all this to say, only Jesus gets it right all the time. peace.

[Soaptivated]

@c888 Try watching the YT vid, "Decisional Regeneration: Paul Washer Interview" then come back and tell me "the Reformed" do not see the similarity of infant baptism to decisional regeneration. Luther didn't get it all right, nor did Calvin. If it's not salvic, then it's a ritual...a work...a throwback to Roman Catholicism.

[Soaptivated]

@c888 It is not the view of Reformed Baptists like Paul Washer, Al Mohler or C. H. Spurgeon. Know them? As for covenants, my question to the Presbies is if God doesn't keep His promises to Israel, how can we ever expect Him to keep His promises to the church? I don't believe in replacement/covenant theology, nor do I wish to debate with YouTubers anymore. It gets very old after a while. From Emergents like Driscoll, et al, Monty Python fans & & Rapper types, I'm REALLY "unteachable." :o]

[coconut888]

@Soaptivated i would exhort you to understand that the Reformed do not see infant baptism as decisional regeneration. quite the opposite. we are spiritual enemies of God who do not ask for God to intercede for us. we never wanted God's love. hence, it takes a God who is sovereign to choose and bring to himself a helpless people. very much the image of infant baptism.

baptism is not salvific either. it's a visible sign and seal of covenant, like circumcision. this is the Reformed view.