Anglo Saxon Heroes:Hengest and Horsa

The Jutish (Hengest and his brother Horsa) leaders enter Britain.

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[fannybaba]

theres no cliffs at Ebbsfleet

[aelfredhauscarl]

@fannybaba its artistic license. Its the best footage we could find to fit the story. Thanks for posting your comment as it will make everyone aware of the fact that there is no cliffs at Ebbsfleet.

[fannybaba]

@aelfredhauscarl sorry I just couldnt let it pass.

[aelfredhauscarl]

@fannybaba No I agree with you information like that should be shared what is the point in having knowledge if you do not share it as I said thank you for sharing.

[aelfredhauscarl]

@fannybaba It was filmed in Iceland

[LordUhtred1]

I base my comments on the facts as we know them - particularly on new DNA evidence - if the ASJ were here in such numbers - where is their DNA? As a boy at school I was taught the mass migration theory but you would be hard pressed to find ANY history or archaeology university department that retains this view. Bede is certainly our best source - but he had his own agenda. Even epic poems of the time talk of many Britons fighting alongside the ASJ.

[aelfredhauscarl]

@LordUhtred1 I find it ironic that you mention Bede had his own agenda which I agree he did, but at the risk of sounding paranoid this new way of looking at English history itself is agenda driven. The agenda being to claim that well we are all Celts anyway and being ethnically or culturally truly English is a fallacy. Along with removing English as choice on the census form it goes someway in expunging the English and our culture altogether.

[starkersboy]

The historical "revisionists" want to re-write history to do down the whole concept of Englishness. On the matter of DNA - I do believe that a relatively small number of well armed, highly motivated, devious and violence Anglo-Saxon barbarians were able to conquer or subjugate much of England in just the same way Dutch Boers in small numbers established South Africa. Also, the only eye witness testimony we have - Gildas - is unequivocal about the Anglo-Saxon invasion and its brutality.

[jupes70]

Jutish ?? I think they were Frisian mercinaries in the service of Vortigern

[LeeHoxton1]

@LordUhtred1 Oppenehiemer? An amateur geneticist at best, and is not a professor of linguistics. He's manipulating Weale & Cappellis' data to sell books.

I don't think we can say categorically that we are one or the other. Most likely if yr from East Anglia/Kent etc (tracing yr family through parish records) your likely to have more Saxon ancestors, and like-wise if yr Cornish, you'd have more British ancestry. I couldn't call myself Anglo-Saxon, but I have some Saxon ancestry, & some Briton

[LeeHoxton1]

@LordUhtred1 VIII UCL college did a sample from East Anglia to Wales & the English male Y gene is liken to that of Frisia. The Welsh have a different gene. UCL then used models to determine how the male line of Saxons becomes dominant. On the other foot the Saxons didn't conquer Cornwall until 300 years after they first arrived, and both the historical, archaeoligical, and genetic evidence all correspond with each other. Gene testing on Cornish folk reveal this

[LeeHoxton1]

@LordUhtred1 VII By contrast the invasion of the Norman military aristocracy after 1066 had relatively limited effect on the place names of England. I think that French was supplanted by the English language in the Royal courts & by the aristocracy in the 14th century. Anglo-Saxons & even Vikings must have settled in some number as both warriors and farm workers, families etc. This is the must the explanation why English triumphs of Celtic dialects.

[LeeHoxton1]

@LordUhtred1 V full of Saxons mercenaries. Bede felt secure in his belief that he was not of British decent, and that his people of Northumbria were Angles, or at least of Angle decent. He didn't expect his readers to think anything less. I go back to the language history theory. It suggests that Saxon numbers must have been significant enough. Saxons spoke a Germanic dialect which is the ancestor to modern English. By contrast the native inhabitants spoke Celtic.

[LeeHoxton1]

@aelfredhauscarl IV There is still a real problem with Oppenheimers' viewpoint. It appears to argue that he knows much better than the contemporaries & later commentators who wrote about events in Britain. i.e. I'm not sure what it implied exactly but the Gallic Chronicles say that Britain ''had become under the control of the Saxons.'' Gildas describes the settlement of Saxon mercenaries, their re-inforcements, and rebellion ravaging Britain from sea to sea. Doesn't it imply more than a hand

[LeeHoxton1]

@LordUhtred1 III. It's appears today that Anglo-Saxons flurished in Eastern England, while Britonnic Cornish, Welsh, & Cumbrian survived. Little Celtic culture or langauge passed into English. Then there's the Danish conquest & settlement in the North. Quite substantial. Although linguistic & culturally similar. An Anglo-Saxon asking a Dane if he could ''Buy 2 horses.'' They would understand each other. As for the Normans:- 2000 families. 7000 Mercenaries. Most of which leave England by 1085.

[LeeHoxton1]

@LordUhtred1 II. After the Romans ran back home. Franks, Goths, Vandals, Alemmanni flooded into Gaul and Italy.

Angles, Saxons, Frisians, and Jutes flooded into England. They're part of the same Germanic societies. They defeated the Britons. The wealthy Britons, middling Britons, went into Cornwall, Cumbria, Wales, & Britanny. The Anglo-Saxon armies pushed them into the West, & the remaining peasants Britons were assimilated into Anglo-Saxon culture. Later inter-marriage proceeded

[LeeHoxton1]

@LordUhtred1I. From recollection Oppenheimer said there were 2 ethnic groups move in 8000 years ago. I. From the Iberian refuge (loosely described as Celtic culture/language) II. When the sea level rose it split East Anglia from mainland Europe, it left a (technically) Germanic ethnic group. He advocates that this is where English developed before the Saxons arrived. Evidence only suggest that both of these developed as linguistically-Celtic. He's just describing a Y gene marker!