Part 2 of 4 Why I Am Not a Christian - Bertrand Russell

1927 essay

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[HBCjunke]

@SOSADS you obiviously arent a calvinist but my main point i think is still valid, if we assume god knows all including the future (which the book of revalations and the OT prophetic books unambigoulsly propose), so he must have known from the very act of creation (man, universe and angel) how it would all turn out, and satan would lead man to sin, more so he made man w/ free will knowing full well some would sin and end up in eternal torment (hell), that makes him wicked.

[wrdeboise]

Very interesting point about gods supposed goodness. One must conclude that _goodness_, if bestowed by god on the universe, must be logically true. We humans use logic to help us navigate the world we live in. Therefore _goodness_ (and badness for that matter) should be accessible using logic.

[buktomsin]

@watty024 Dirk Nowitzki..

[watty024]

@buktomsin yeh...

[buktomsin]

@watty024 ... "IF" is a BIG factor above... Now, plainly, sure there is absolutely NO supporting evidence for a god(s), case-closed.

[YetAnotherInfidel]

@watty024

You accept that God creates the conditions in which a being has free will, but you then undermine yourself by saying "we only know what the result of its' free choice will be".

Creating a robot that can do as it likes, but then creating ALL the conditions in which its choices are made, is the same as a program. Fictional charactors, in their own world, act with "free will". They do as they choose, but the way they act and the conditions are set up.

This is just like any God.

[watty024]

@YetAnotherInfidel you claim that his traits will not allow him to know the future and create things with free will, but you have not shown why this is the case.

robot cannot learn new things, and if we give it free will, then it has free will. knowing what it will do when it exercises its' free will does not affect its' free will. we only know what the result of its' free choice will be.

you cannot create fictional characters with free will. do you know what free will means?

[watty024]

@buktomsin no, i just don't know why this being you are describing did all the things you claim he did. i don't believe in any gods.

[buktomsin]

@watty024 haha

Are you possibly an intellectual GIANT!?

(Not)

[YetAnotherInfidel]

@watty024

Isn't it odd how we can have such simple disagreements, but draw this out this far?

You don't believe in God nor do I, as far as I can draw from our verbal exchange, yet we scwabble like we had good sense. It seems I am incapable of understanding what you mean, as to how a God who knows things before he does them can have created anything that could do something other than It's will, but nevertheless I find you intriguing.