@socksumi 1.the sacrafic was jesus sacraficing his life for us. 2 we can have eternal life, not it a literal sence but in a spiritual sence with jesus in heaven the bible promises that over and over. John 3:16 infact says: For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son (refering to jesus dying on the cross and rising again),that who soever beleives in him shall not parrish but have eternal life.
@BroadwayFREAK01 It's pretty clear to me that it's the torture death of Jesus that is held up as vicarious redemption for the human race. In fact the very word "sacrifice" is used constantly in preacher's sermons.
Aside from the fact that I consider substitutional atonement logically and morally absurd, I do not believe for a second we are given eternal life (we are not immortal). If you and I had been present at such a ghastly crucifixion, we would have been duty bound to stop it.
@socksumi how the heck is jesus dying on the cross for our sins legitimizing human sacrafice? and the satisfaction doesn't come from the fact that jesus died on the cross but that he rose again! he had victory over death and now we can too but living with him for eternity after we die on earth...
@Blauxyy It's not about love, but about legitimizing human sacrifice---and the ridiculous belief that an advanced deity is requires the torture murder of an innocent and derives sinister satisfaction from it.
Substitutional atonement makes absolutely no sense. Guilt is not transferable. A person's moral stature is not at the mercy of the actions of another. I do not comprehend how people can buy into something so logically and morally absurd.
@socksumi 1.the sacrafic was jesus sacraficing his life for us. 2 we can have eternal life, not it a literal sence but in a spiritual sence with jesus in heaven the bible promises that over and over. John 3:16 infact says: For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son (refering to jesus dying on the cross and rising again),that who soever beleives in him shall not parrish but have eternal life.
BroadwayFREAK01 4 days ago
@BroadwayFREAK01 It's pretty clear to me that it's the torture death of Jesus that is held up as vicarious redemption for the human race. In fact the very word "sacrifice" is used constantly in preacher's sermons.
Aside from the fact that I consider substitutional atonement logically and morally absurd, I do not believe for a second we are given eternal life (we are not immortal). If you and I had been present at such a ghastly crucifixion, we would have been duty bound to stop it.
socksumi 4 days ago
@socksumi how the heck is jesus dying on the cross for our sins legitimizing human sacrafice? and the satisfaction doesn't come from the fact that jesus died on the cross but that he rose again! he had victory over death and now we can too but living with him for eternity after we die on earth...
BroadwayFREAK01 4 days ago
Hallelujah!!! :')
Akinay300893 2 weeks ago
@Blauxyy It's not about love, but about legitimizing human sacrifice---and the ridiculous belief that an advanced deity is requires the torture murder of an innocent and derives sinister satisfaction from it.
socksumi 1 month ago
@socksumi That is the scandalous love of a Saviour. It is absurd.
Blauxyy 1 month ago
Substitutional atonement makes absolutely no sense. Guilt is not transferable. A person's moral stature is not at the mercy of the actions of another. I do not comprehend how people can buy into something so logically and morally absurd.
socksumi 3 months ago
loved it! very true and very useful! thank you for sharing this. God bless you
cuterim 5 months ago
@preachercbs the name of the song is called clubed to death by rob dougan
1dork4u 9 months ago
does anyone know what this song is and how I can get it preachercbs@yahoo.com
preachercbs 10 months ago