John Piper - Asking God for proof

"Destroy This Temple, and in Three Days I Will Raise It Up"
John 2:12-22
December 21, 2008

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[BBCHJ]

Praise God for John Piper. I believe time will tell that he's one of the wisest men in the Christian faith. Very, very good man...

[bxwilliams7]

Forgive him for he no not what he do. Amen

[maximemeis111]

Do you know what he calls evil in the bigining? Reason, man's basic tool of survival. Do you know how true knowledge is built? By reason. Reason is based on the evidence of reality and uses logic to come to conclusions. He says" they don't more signs to proof what's true, they need hearts to love what's true". How do they really know the truth? He blanks it out. Faith is not a way to knowledge it is not built on reality and reason require evidences and logic which he doesn't allow.

[JACKSCHEESYSMILE]

It pains me to know that John is so right but so wrong also. Yes God wants us to submit with our hearts and not evidence. But Jesus wasn't God. He was a prophet. Allah IS the one true God. And John, you need to submit to him. Why won't you??? HE loves you. HE is waiting. And don't say that you just don't believe in Allah. Don't be an ignorant fool. He pulls at your heart and you "don't need anymore evidence". You need to love him. Why don't you????

[juggalette225]

@DarkEmergence @DarkEmergence I don't have a problem with other religions UNTIL they start tryin to prove that I'm wrong for being a Christian. What I MEANT was, at least I have SOME sort of spiritual connection, and I'm not just some angry, narrow minded person who can't accept that there are different religions. I'm well aware that there are other religions! My father is an atheist, my mom is unitarian, and I'm a Christian! Happy?

[DarkEmergence]

Yes, I do need more evidence. Just like I need evidence that Aliens built Pyramids or that a bracelet could improve my flexibility or buying a book Oprah promoted will really give me everything I want in life. I need evidence because I'm not in the practice of believing claims that smell fishy, even when they have nothing to do with God.

[DarkEmergence]

@juggalette225 Who denied your happiness? There are people who feel the same kind of happiness, more so than fundamentalist, without a theist's concept of god.

[stevie1turner]

Wolf I get out of bed everyday and stand on the proof then go outside and look up at the reality ,

[40518221]

@yeudh Hey mate if you want some answers PM me, glad to talk. In brief: you've actually quoted a passage which sought to improve the conditions of hired workers. It was quite a different definition to what we think of today.

Also, if you're seriously opposed to slavery, it would be worth your while to check out some great websites such as notforsalecampaign org to see how you can help. Thanks for your time!

[yeudh]

John Piper gives the typical responses to a direct question. You are a ass hole sinner and I will send you to hell. When I ask a theist a question about what is stated in the bible, like Leviticus 25:40-44 were slavery is approved by God, all you get is double talk. Question all statements that you find in a collection of bronze books written by sheep herds living in the middle east who were trying to create central government. Reading the Bible with this in mind and you will understand.

[juggalette225]

So what if Christians are 'retarded' ._. at least my life has meaning and Jesus gives me strength. You're going to deny my happiness because a scientist told you he isn't real? Whether you believe in Jesus or not you have to admit there's nothing like spiritual power/happiness. You can't deny happiness...

[WolfLuvr6131]

I swear Christians are so damn retarded. :| Scientists spend years researching things, the proof is THERE, but wait! There's a book telling about some amaaaazing man that created everything just like *that*. Just...MADE it. Well shit they must be telling the truth. ALL HALE THE LORD. Forget proof and reality!