The Tories view on society as a whole, does not work. History proves that. The party is riddled, negative, divisive class- its prime tool. It supports a ruling strata of public school/Oxbridge, etc. They think the trickle down effect works, when history proves it does not.
Most of those i know who vote for them do so out of prejudice - some bee in their bonnet about, blacks, the local council estate, etc. The intelligent and worldly people I know give them a wide berth.
@NearAbbeyRoad I don't take the Tories of today seriously. I would whole heartedly agree with you, but historically they have been truly about society as a whole.
Tories only paper over the cracks of poverty. They know that once they are fed have a very small roof over their heads, football & beer they are OK and no revolution will come about. They keep the poor calm rather than eliminate grinding poverty. Geoist economics will drag the poor out of permanent poverty with Land Value Tax at its core. The Tories oppose any LVT - wondered why? The 1909 Commons vs Lords conflict was that LVT was to be introduced. Tories are an anachronism
@NearAbbeyRoad I just stated that it was only after Thatcher that the dissatisfaction and riots began. She was the one who lead to the outsourcing of the British economy and eventually destroyed our infrastructure. However, Harold Macmillan and Benjamin Disraeli are clear examples of what Red Toryism or One Nation Conservatism is all about. Disraeli created the Young England group specifically to tackle the exploitation of the poor from the aristocrats.
Tories never understood the poor. Any regard for the poor they had was scant. Most of them knew why poverty came about but chose to ignore it - their greed overtook them. The grinding poverty that came because of the industrial revolution is always made worse under them. No social reform came from them. ln fact they always opposed it. Cameron opposed getting rid of hereditary peers. Economic riots are always under the Tories:1981.1985, miners, students, poll tax, 2011
@NearAbbeyRoad Well historically the Tories have had a regard for the poor which can be traced back to before the Labour Party's creation. Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli was a Conservative, yet he still knew the importance of helping the poor of Britain. The same can be said of Harold Macmillan. The conservative party only had a drastic change to this more classical liberal ideology after Thatcher became Prime Minister and outsourcing in the UK lead to more economic individualism.
We need a Resource based economy
MrMillsmo 4 months ago
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The Tories view on society as a whole, does not work. History proves that. The party is riddled, negative, divisive class- its prime tool. It supports a ruling strata of public school/Oxbridge, etc. They think the trickle down effect works, when history proves it does not.
Most of those i know who vote for them do so out of prejudice - some bee in their bonnet about, blacks, the local council estate, etc. The intelligent and worldly people I know give them a wide berth.
NearAbbeyRoad 6 months ago
@NearAbbeyRoad I don't take the Tories of today seriously. I would whole heartedly agree with you, but historically they have been truly about society as a whole.
AdversusHaereses 6 months ago
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"One Nation Conservatism"
This is a contradiction in terms. The Tories promote class divisions. They have an odd view of what one nation is.
NearAbbeyRoad 6 months ago
@AdversusHaereses
Factors of production:
LAND
CAPITAL
LABOUR
The Tories want a poverty level to keep wages down - rigging LABOUR. That is a part of their rigging the free-market. The Tories rig LAND as well.
They preach the free-market which a big con-trick, as they are the biggest riggers of the free-market.
How anyone takes this party seriously in this day and age and when looking at their record is beyond me.
NearAbbeyRoad 6 months ago
@AdversusHaereses
Tories only paper over the cracks of poverty. They know that once they are fed have a very small roof over their heads, football & beer they are OK and no revolution will come about. They keep the poor calm rather than eliminate grinding poverty. Geoist economics will drag the poor out of permanent poverty with Land Value Tax at its core. The Tories oppose any LVT - wondered why? The 1909 Commons vs Lords conflict was that LVT was to be introduced. Tories are an anachronism
NearAbbeyRoad 6 months ago
@NearAbbeyRoad I just stated that it was only after Thatcher that the dissatisfaction and riots began. She was the one who lead to the outsourcing of the British economy and eventually destroyed our infrastructure. However, Harold Macmillan and Benjamin Disraeli are clear examples of what Red Toryism or One Nation Conservatism is all about. Disraeli created the Young England group specifically to tackle the exploitation of the poor from the aristocrats.
AdversusHaereses 6 months ago
@AdversusHaereses
Tories never understood the poor. Any regard for the poor they had was scant. Most of them knew why poverty came about but chose to ignore it - their greed overtook them. The grinding poverty that came because of the industrial revolution is always made worse under them. No social reform came from them. ln fact they always opposed it. Cameron opposed getting rid of hereditary peers. Economic riots are always under the Tories:1981.1985, miners, students, poll tax, 2011
NearAbbeyRoad 6 months ago
@NearAbbeyRoad Well historically the Tories have had a regard for the poor which can be traced back to before the Labour Party's creation. Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli was a Conservative, yet he still knew the importance of helping the poor of Britain. The same can be said of Harold Macmillan. The conservative party only had a drastic change to this more classical liberal ideology after Thatcher became Prime Minister and outsourcing in the UK lead to more economic individualism.
AdversusHaereses 6 months ago
well said.
RussMaxable 6 months ago