SAVATE Salle Wagram 03.05.1969

http://www.savate.tk - BLOG. Savate -french boxing after war. Fluidity in movement shows that savate has rich and long history. Asiatic styles of fighting at this time were rigid and ortodox in movement. Many things were copied from this authenthic kickboxing in shoes called "LA BOXE FRANCAISE"

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Sports

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• karate
• taekwondo
• boxe
• francaise
• french
• boxing
• savate
• defence
• kickboxing

[fov200]

Considering that Savate is centuries older than TKD and that TKD was created as a military fighting system (and we all know what kind of military influence has Europe and America over Asia in the 19th and 20th centuries) - it's more probably TKD to be influenced by Savate.

[fov200]

@retrodarth Moreover, if we are about to think about asian influences on Savate, we must go souther of Korea - Thailand, Vietnam, Indonesia. Because Savate has much more in common with Muay Boran (the predecessor of Muay Thai), Viet Vo Dao and Silat, than Taek Kyeon (in which, like TKD, there's a lack of low kicks and the movement of the body is different, like dance). And because there was the most of the French asian colonies.

[fov200]

@retrodarth Yeah, but the founder of TKD isn't a founder of anything new - everything in TKD is a military and later sport technics derived from the ancient korean Taek Kyon (Kyung). I'm kind of agree with the point that Savate has something in common with the asian styles, but not in a way of deriving, rather a way of influence. But everything is influenced by something anyway. And, considering the time most of the modern styles was born, then Savate is kind of original martial art.

[retrodarth]

@TheTaoofJKD John Rhee was Bruce "fake actor" Lee kicking teacher in the begining of the sixties, thanks to TKD kicks your idol become a movie star. Despite Bruce was a questioned martial artist and arrogant lad, as the most of his zombie kune do fans pupils, you mentioned Kyokushin and Mas Oyama -born korean- was humble and loyal friend of the father of TKD G.M. Choi.

[sabinoson]

@ZAZAAZAZ9009 I totally agree with you. There's only so many ways the human body can move. To me, who happens to be Asian and a martial artist, why would the French (or anyone else) need "us" Asians to influence them in their own homegrown kicking methods? Why wouldn't they be able to come up with similar techniques on their own? To say Savate must have come from Asia is like saying because the English have archery, then Native American archery must have come from England.

[sabinoson]

Nice video, but I wish it had sound.

[ZAZAAZAZ9009]

@TheTaoofJKD And by the way Savate came from Paris and went South to Marseille where the sailors took it as a way to keep in shape during their trips on the boats and also as a way to have fun

[ZAZAAZAZ9009]

@TheTaoofJKD and @billysue2 I think both of you are wrong, no disrespect. Savate is a full French martial art. The kicking technics come from different bandit's and thug's fighting styles. It can not possibly come from TKD because Savate comes from the early 1800 and TKD was founded around 1950. BUT if you really look at TKD it's a complete combat system where you can find throws and locks.

[TheTaoofJKD]

@billysue2 You guarantee this? I'd love do see how you do that. I train in savate under Prof Salem Assli pretty much the premier savate professor in the US. According to him and all the research I've done on Savate especially considering it is my native martial art there is no viable evidence that shows this. Your ignorance is painful. TKD is a bastardized martial art that lacks in a plethora of ways. All they know how to do it to tornado and wheelkick everything else is garbage.

[billysue2]

@TheTaoofJKD i guarantee that the kicking from savate arent european in origin,spread of ideas by travelling is how all arts came about.The only styles with high kicks are asian,its too much coincidence that france was a big trader in asia.Ive done thai for about 8 yrs and itf tkd and american kickboxing for 17 yrs and good tkd lads have better legs than anyone in terms of speed and dexterity but havent the power of thai and cant set them up as well due to lack of hands.