Pwning Objectivism: Appeal to progress

On the dangerous, evasive and manipulative attitude that I detect in the objectivist population. The appeal to progress fallacy uses an insustainable, hence false/undesirable idea of progress, to bully defenders of intelligent and sustainable development.

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[StudentOfObjectivism]

'Appeal to progress' = referencing the obvious fact that the maintenance of an individual's life requires the achievement of values. Achieving those values more efficiently is the essence of growth - which the lecturer in that silly video you mentioned asserts to be bad because growth (by the nature of exponential functions) is unsustainable and therefore bad.

[dakshinamurti]

@StudentOfObjectivism Do you believe unsustainability to be good? If so, how/why is it good?

[StudentOfObjectivism]

@dakshinamurti I think 'sustainability' and 'unsustainability' are anti-concepts. I won't explain why. Treat it as an assertion if you like. I don't think there is any purpose in explaining things to you.

[dakshinamurti]

@StudentOfObjectivism I shall treat it as a copout. I can't imagine why you would take time to comment/criticicize a video that you had no intention to debate and if you were not open to answering questions about your objections. If there is "no purpose in explaining things to me" then you probably should've kept the original remark to yourself. Don't mean to be beligerent. It's just that your actions were incongruent.

[StudentOfObjectivism]

@dakshinamurti The purpose of my comment was to highlight the superficiality of your claim that Objectivists are committing some kind of 'Appeal to Progress' - that what Objectivists are really appealing to is the requirements of man's life. The purpose was not to get dragged into a debate about whatever anti-concepts you want to conjure out of thin air; nor indeed to debate anything with you.

[dakshinamurti]

@StudentOfObjectivism Venus project proponents talk constantly about the "objective requirements of man's life" You may conjure whatever criticism you want against the venus project, but keep it real... they are constantly talking about scientific objective assessment of human needs and what they say is that they are aiming for sustainable ways to achieve them. You reject things as anticoncepts without any debate, commiting intellectual evasion which is the cardinal sin of your religion.

[dakshinamurti]

I could provide definitions for sustainability, with clear real world examples, but you prefer to label words that represent reallllllll inconveniances to your philosophy as floating abstractions... commiting intellectual evasion, the cardinal sin of your religion. Dude, keep on living in lala land, sucking on Rand's balls. C ya.

[Zerofire18]

Objectivists are driven by rational self interest not greed. To be asked to be selfless and care for everyone is not only immoral but impossible. You should understand Objectivism before you bash it otherwise you are only bashing an illusion of what you think objectivism is, and that is lame and a waste of time.

[Aliothemage]

It is not that we will find more coal or oil or gas, it is that humans are awesome at creating resources from trash. Oil used to be considered a waste product until capitalist found a use for it. We also created plastics, synthetic rubbers, and we've figured out ways to recycle our resources and increase their efficiency. People have predicted that we would run out of resources for hundreds of years but they have always been proven wrong because the market avoids pitfalls with innovation.

[quote3000]

Objectivism is a joke. By rejecting quantum mechanics, this servers as one example that they are anti-progress. Damn that Peikoff!

[StudentOfObjectivism]

@dakshinamurti The fact that you regard Objectivism as a religion is why I will not debate with you.

[rebelq1]

@Zerofire18

No concern for those in need?