MST3k Gunslinger 06/10

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[Stazmo2]

You know, the dude describes the Battle of Missionary Ridge, not Lookout Mountain... And the war was pretty much lost by that point... sorry, i'm a nerd..

[ChaoticYak]

"Man, this movie is just sitting on my head and crushing it."

Yes. Yes, it is.

[durane42]

@pretorious700 Oh, haha, I'd forgotten about this conversation. I'll go with your argument, but would they have even wanted to exercise their right to secede in the first place (which, I'll give you, seems like a reasonable right to have) if slavery weren't under dispute?

Anyway, I'll leave it at that question and go research it myself, since this is MST3K after all, and not a history forum. Thanks for being civil (pun not intended)!

[pretorious700]

@durane42 I think a little more research than the public school narrative is warranted. The primary states rights were actually the states' rights to secede. The constitution was constructed to protect the citizenry from overweening central government-something we see now in spades.

[sleepyhollow783]

@pretorious700 Obviously slavery is reprehensible. Nevertheless the some people do not understand The Principles on which the Feds were trampling. For example, if any state wished to secede from the Union, then that was the state's right to pull away. I believe Jefferson in the Declaration stated that a people had the right if not a duty to change or abolish a gov't that was tyrannical. I can understand why The South from their standpoint would seen the writing on the wall and wished to secede.

[alexiaNBC]

@Stazmo2 Yeah, Missionary Ridge was the northern most ridge along the Chattanooga outskirts commanded by Brigadier general Hardee. What the character describes is how General William T. Sherman charged the Confederate line at the ridge but was defeated during the initial attack. The Confederates fled from the ridge only because the real Lookout Mountain was abandoned since the rebels had little defensive measures on the mountain to hold back the scaling Union army

I'm a Civil war buff

[easyeasy506]

"ooh - this movie is just sitting on my head and crushing it" ROFL!!

[durane42]

@pretorious700 Yeah, I live in the old capital of the Confederacy, so I hear the "states' rights" story a lot. People do seem to forget that the primary "states' right" in question was the right to allow slavery.

[pretorious700]

@durane42 let me guess, public school education? The Civil War was way more about states' rights and the federal government consolidating power, but guess what-your government controlled educational system will never give that side of the story.

[durane42]

@pretorious700 It's fantasy that the Confederate states seceded because they wanted to keep their slaves?

[ChaoticYak]

Best line of the movie: "I'm wearing these pants because I lost a man. A better man than ever slipped you a dollar."

[ChaoticYak]

You're not buying this, are you.