DID WE LAND ON MOON?- :(Vol3):we want the truth

DID WE LAND ON MOON?-

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[nesokretep]

@vonkaunaz -- Just like America's problems now are economic. Capitalism and free enterprise can be good. But what has happened in the U.S. (as my Russian friend pointed out) is similar to what happened in the USSR. The concentration of wealth, I guess mostly in the banking industry, is too great a center for corrpution & control when the government gets involved.

The Government is in bed with Big Business (especially in banking) and the result is not only inefficient, but downright evil.

[nesokretep]

@vonkaunaz -- I even understand that the developer of the Lunokhod came over to NASA (after East/West relations freed up a bit) and assisted with some of the development & testing of the Mars rover. That kind of collaboration is great!!

I actually wish Russia had had more resources to be better compitition for NASA in the 1960's. The competition would have done the industry (and eventually exploration) a lot of good.

[nesokretep]

@vonkaunaz -- Absolutely! The Lunokhod rover was a superb bit of engineering.  And I suppose in a way it illustrates my point. On a small machine like that, with a person in charge who could take pride of ownership in its development, the Russians certainly were (and are) capable of superior accomplishment. The failure of their moon program was (as I understand it) entirely economic. The N1 booster was too huge a thing to do proper testing & development on.

[vonkaunaz]

@nesokretep: And aren´t the Soviet lunar rovers a huge scientific achievement? NASA never had unmanned machines soft landing on the moon, collect samples, take off, and return to earth! This is why i am telling you to give them credit, because in many departments the were AHEAD of NASA. Not saying it´s your situation, but the vast majority of people in the West truly believe the Americans were "superior" in absolutely all fields in technology over the USSR..and that, my friend, is a lie.

[nesokretep]

@vonkaunaz -- By the way, one of my best friends grew up in Soviet Russia. She got her degree in Economics from the University of Moscow just after the fall of the Soviet Union in the 1990's. She says that the biggest problem in the United States in the current era is that it is getting to be too much like old Soviet Russia.

[nesokretep]

@vonkaunaz - Russia's main problem was that their economic system was a disaster. They obviously had brilliant scientists. But they couldn't afford the testing & development require to make something like the N1 work on the required schedule. Their best achievement of the era was the lunokhod rover.

That they were not particularly ahead of the U.S. in manned missions by the mid 1960's is not surprizing. They didn't have nearly as many resources to waste on such a huge project.

[vonkaunaz]

@nesokretep : While i do believe the U.S. landed men on the moon, a fact, it is also a fact the USSR was in many departments of the space race more advanced than the U.S. Sending animals to space was simple: to investigate how a living organism would react in outerspace -before trying to put men up there-: had never been done before, therefore tests were necessary. Give the Soviets credit...because they more than earned it.

[BjornPalmen]

@ManFromMelbourne 10 N1's were built at the Baikonur Cosmodrome in the late 1960s and early 1970s. The giant rocket was launched just four times; each one was a disaster ending in abrupt and catastrophic failure.