JOSEPH MCCARTHY VS JOSEPH WELCH

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[CyeOutsider]

This is the kind of morality missing from America today. The morality of common sense and basic decency. Nobody has the guts to stand up to the ignorant, vicious demagogues currently dominating the American political system and ask them the same question: "Have you no decency?".

[bophaisrad]

wow! This man was awesome

[deejayalemus]

@Truthhound1 Well said. Civil conversation on Youtube, what a concept.

[Truthhound1]

@deejayalemus I'm not just content but onvinced that the left-right battle is global. One the one hand is individual freedom and on the other is government control. I'm a Canadian too and I see it from coast to coast as well as in foreign lands. Have you ever seen an NDPer ever argue for LESS government control? I've never except when it came to private abortion clinics. Good talking with you too. All the best.

[deejayalemus]

@Truthhound1 LoL, sorry, I didn't go to university, but you did encourage me to do some more research on the subject. Since a lot of the information has come out lately that shows some of McCarthy's suspicions were justified, it makes me think that history is setting out to balance the scales. I imagine the truth is somewhere in the middle. While you are content to see things in right-left paradigms, I kinda find that perspective limited to American politics. Thanks for the conversation.

[Truthhound1]

@deejayalemus If you are counting on leftist professors at your Cdn university to give you the whole truth then you are sadly mistaken. I learned more about history after I left university than during it. Most of my history professors were in a state of depression when the USSR fell. As for Hoover, he had a lot of evidence on his side for a lot of things and that is why he stayed in his job through several presidencies. Leftists didn't like him as he was a formidable opponent.

[deejayalemus]

@Truthhound1 So did I. I know the history of post WWII Russia as well. My country (Canada) took a comparatively moderate approach in the Cold War. The good thing is that most of the pro or con information is out there. I learned that there are classes being taught which examine the rightness of McCarthy`s crusade. He was paranoid, but sometimes correct in his suspicions, though he didn`t always have evidence on his side. Kinda reminds me of J Edgar Hoover.

[Truthhound1]

@deejayalemus I lived through the cold war and read a lot about the people behind the Iron Curtain. It was pretty horrific for them and that had nothing to do with us. They were captives to an inhuman system run by tyrants. The USSR believed in global revolution so we had the choice of fighting it or letting them take over. We chose to fight it and we won. Read up on Lenin's executions,the Ukraine famine, Stalin's purges and the Gulag and you'll see why fighting made sense.

[deejayalemus]

like Robert Lamphere: "McCarthyism did all kinds of harm because he was pushing something that wasn't so," To be sure, the Venona intercepts showed that over several decades, "There were a lot of spies in the government, but not all in the State Department," "The problem was that McCarthy lied about his information and figures. He made charges against people that weren't true. McCarthyism harmed the counterintelligence effort against the Soviet threat because of the revulsion it caused.

[deejayalemus]

@Truthhound1 I have heard that theory, but without knowing more background, I can't comment on how true it is. Clearly my knowledge of history in this regard is more of the Coles notes variety. Based on your replies, you appear to believe the ends justify the means, and that you take the threat of communism as seriously as people in the 50s did. By todays standards it seems absurd, as this attitude contributed more to cold war hostilities than anything else.

[Truthhound1]

@deejayalemus Oppenheimer felt that the US should not have a monopoly on nuclear bombs and, since USA and USSR were not going to be allies much longer, then the secrets should be passed. I guess you disagree with the FBI files as well as the KGB files and VENONA. Why are traitors running loose in America today? Ted Kennedy proposed a secret deal with USSR while Reagan was Prez. He wasn't jailed because he had political power and connections - just like the scum back then.

[deejayalemus]

@Truthhound1 This clears something up for me. If you believe that Oppenheimer was planning on selling out the states after helping build the bomb for them, then you are essentially claiming that he was a traitor. I disagree. I don't claim McCarthy smeared him specifically, but I question his methods. You don't think 2 whistleblowers were the only ones who suffered from the climate of fear? How many innocent people were imprisoned or blacklisted? All of them? Why were they freed?