"Steps 4 & 5 of AA" by Father Joseph C. Martin

Both Step Four and Step Five by Father Martin

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[saltysailor07]

I don't think Fr. Martin is still alive..His tapes a lot cheaper than a treatment center..Alcoholism is a disease and will kill you..nothing to screw around with

[fatherjoemartin]

Father Martin is very much alive. I visited with him yesterday, (1-22-09.) His sence of humor is still in tact!! He is now 84 years old and suffers with some health issues. One thing Father makes clear is that he continues to keeps the still suffering and recovering alcoholics and drug addicts in his prayers every day. Best to you on your journeys. God bless, and be safe.

[Basisforstace]

He was such a good man and he saved my life, he will be sorely missed.. R.I.P

[gonnamakit]

When people object to having a doctrine imposed on them when they seek help, it doesn't have to be because they "don't get it".

[frankenboston]

@MikeDSept21 take this advice or suggestion also, just for a couple of nights, to not scope for chicks, lol, serious, if you wanna freak out? and have your gizzards blown ? check out a BBSS meeting nearest you, big book step study,, "NOT" a big book meeting, mega huge difference, Big Book Step Study, BBSS , if you want to learn and do a proper 4 and 5th step no holds bard , you'lle thank me later , they F-ing ROCK !!!! my life will never be the same again ty HP. peace.. bruh

[frankenboston]

@MikeDSept21 i was a member of NA for a long time, i grew bored with the show boating of some of it's members not all, there is good and bad in every group manipulation and hostage situations, that exist in both. i do not tolerate neither, or allow myself to be subject to opinions, or personalities above "principal" try and keep an open mind, says in both literature yes? there's 2 types of people in the fellowship of "Aa-NA" or both, those that are awake, and those are are not.

[Taxi502]

@MikeDSept21 nah, waaay off. 1st, if something aint broke, dont fix it. n the aa literature aint broke. why on earth would u change something that works? aa says keep it simple. na literature is not more extensive, its overkill (really its plagiarism) younger members is not a pro. its a con. older members in aa have many years sober. thats where u want to get ur experience from not from a revolving door of young know it alls in na. if ur scopin chicks, na is where its at. ull learn

[Taxi502]

@frankenboston so good i can hardly stand up. c + s july 25, 2008. good of u to ask. thanks

[Taxi502]

@gonnamakit wrong. if u r at an aa meeting its bc ur way didnt n does not work-in all aspects of life. its not a doctrine first off. however, if u r at an aa meeting i would suggest u allow someone to 'impose' (ill use ur word) their experience upon u. u dont get it, if u did, u wouldnt be at an aa meeting

[frankenboston]

@Taxi502 how are you doing now my friend?

[MikeDSept21]

@SuperBigmoneymike For the record I'm not a member of AA. AA is cool and all, but NA is where it's at. The literature is almost a half century newer and much more extensive. The members tend to be a bit younger as well.

[MikeDSept21]

@SuperBigmoneymike In which book are you referring? My statement about Bill W asking for whiskey is a documented fact of history.

[SuperBigmoneymike]

@MikeDSept21 Mike go read page 73 and 417 and shut the fuck up..you bash a program that may have helped you..then talk about Bill W like a dog..maybe he was or wasnt You need to read and find your so called Recovery

[zappasgal2005]

It is amazing to me how Fr. puts it so simple but so spiritual. He was a man of great grace and understanding and caring. Pope John Paul II (Blessed John Paul now) believed in and taught Divine Mercy. When I hear Fr. Martin speak I can hear that Divine mercy in his voice and what he says.