The Most Profound Moment in Gaming: MGS2 AI Conversation Analysis Part 2 of 2

Part 1 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6V_HzEPHFYE

This is my brief analysis of what most people would agree is the most profound moment in gaming: the final conversation that Raiden has with the Patriot AI at the end of Metal Gear Solid 2. It really speaks volumes to a number of topics in Philosophy, Psychology, Sociology, Ethics, and Science. But perhaps most importantly is that it presents one of the best arguments for control of the human race by AI, something most science fiction stories never even attempt to do.

If you'd like to just view the AI Conversation itself you can find it here:
(Part 1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_W4EV-ikJY
(Part 2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NS9sWYop2UE&feature=related

If you're interested in buying Metal Gear games I recommend this Amazon list:
http://www.amazon.com/lm/RU8MJ4Y6S0PA8/ref=cm_pdp_lm_title_1

Re-Uploaded version with slightly better voice track and minor editing changes. All game footage is used for commentary purposes.

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[guilhermedoidao0]

OBJECTION!!! 00:00 to 00:17 Yes Raiden indeed copied Snake`s word´s but just because he did this, doesn`t mean he lack free will.as long as we sincerely agree with others peoples words there´s nothing wrong in repeating them for ourselves.That`s one of the ways we humans evolve:Exchanging experiences.

sorry for the bad english

[LogosSteve]

@guilhermedoidao0 Yup, that's right, that's exactly why the Patriots don't actually have any room to say that humans don't have free will.

[Kuckooracha]

@LogosSteve But what if agreement only is the the result of our social conditioning?

We picture our life as a series of intersections that represent our choices. However, we choose one path every time. If we look back, a single line links our present self to our past self. We will never know if the other choices were actually available or if it wasn't simply the only itinerary we could've followed.

[LogosSteve]

@Kuckooracha I was saying that the Patriots don't have any room to say that humans in particular don't have free will especially by comparison just because they accept other ideas which the AIs would be technically no different at. If they said free will doesn't exist period I wouldn't disagree because you're absolutely right choice is just something we invent to say that if things were different different things would have happened.

[MYKEGREGORY]

Fantastic analysis! Well done.

[erehllort]

@LogosSteve seems your red herring. im referring to games, not aesthetics. but since the subject keeps getting changed, I find many faults in your video: like labeling dialogue during a cutscene 'the most profound moment in gaming'. dialogue can be experienced the same or better in a book or movie and isn't itself gaming, let alone the most profound moment therein. +if intellectualism is a measure of gaming profundity, then college classrooms have more profound gaming moments, i assure you.

[LogosSteve]

@erehllort Still sounds to me like you're splitting hairs. Yes you could say that chatting online is an art. Why would someone not understand that a video game is art? I mean come on dude, we're talking about art direction, sound design, cinematography, acting, etc. and you're making a system of how they change that with a controller. Do you think that aesthetics is neither an art nor a science? What's your contention here? I still don't see one

[thatgirishican811]

@guilhermedoidao0 overruled

[erehllort]

@LogosSteve I don't think its accurate to say interactivity/videogames is art, unless u want to widen the idea to the point of incomprehensibility. Chatting online, for example, is not art per se. If I introduce interactivity to someone who has no prior understanding of the concept of art and tell them "this is what art is", they would not understand what art is really. if that someone sees a painting or hears music for the first time afterwards, they wouldn't identify it as art.

[Nastara]

@immortalfrieza That would be awesome, but defeating the Patriots at that moment would require him to practically sacrifice himself.

[MasterLPG]

Thank you for this. I played this game as a kid, and the ending melted my mind. I could not wrap my brain around that conversation and it left me speechless for the majority of the remaining day.

Watching it now, really brings back a lot of good memories about this game, and really helped me finally understand what was going on here.

THANK YOU!

[Kuckooracha]

@erehllort Games, movies and paintings can be art or not, and can be "more" than art or not. It's not exclusive to video games.