HOWL PART 2 MOLOCH -ALLEN GINSBERG

Allen Ginsberg reading the second part of Howl called Moloch.- From my blog Gord's Poetry Factory at http://gordspoetryfactory.blogspot.com/
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[joshdavies86]

The Moloch in the poem is the same as the Moloch now: capitalism.

You don't look at the system that murders people by the thousand in Iraq, Afghanistan and Palestine; that throws millions into unemployment and millions more into starvation; that day by day destroys the planet you delude yourself into thinking that the problem's Islam. The same problem that the organisers of capitalism's wars, impoverishment and destruction identify.

You don't understand the poem or the world around you.

[philosophy9949]

Look at the world we have created and are creating. Slowly and endlessly, we are eradicating paradise. Ginsberg fortold everything that has happened over the past fifty years, from Vietnam to Watergate to the War in Iraq.

We are a nation of spiritual poverty

The Yodeling Existentionalist

[chicken6000]

@sugarcult522

it's about modernity plain and simple. the best book on modernity is Marshall Berman's all that is solid melts into air. (taken from the communist manifesto - which refers to the burning od coal into smoke and also, here when Ginsberg says

'lifting the city to heaven which exists and is everywhere about us" (he refers to invisible technologies, wireless internet and signals that pass through walls etc. but also social and cultural and political forces. Read berman.

[sugarcult522]

moloch is the system one could argue its captialism but i say captialism is onyl a part of it its greater than that its the whole system that governs our lives

[PtAltmVansanTarr]

Is Moloch part of Ginsberg concept of good and evil? To me, the word "moloch" conjures up old and ancient myths, ones that are about gods of destruction. I think it's an actual word from some E.Europe country. The animation in the latest film is powerful for this section of the poem. Moloch reminds me of the unseen presence in Antonioni's Red Desert, a presence which has spread everywhere, with the only refuge being the imagination or dream worlds...

[cryptsub]

@JohnnyThreePants definitely one of the most powerful parts of Howl

[cryptsub]

@shmoopydoo You have no understanding, period. Go watch some more reality TV now.

[cryptsub]

@joshdavies86 Socialist authoritarian states and Islamic theocracies are part of Moloch as well. Moloch is international murderous overwhelming power for it's own sake.

[mussman717word]

@MAGICnewyork

You, sir, are a GOD-DAMNED LIAR! Otherwise, you'd bring proof in a link, from a site other than some Pat Robertson shit.

[OrTheThirdPerson]

thompson directed kiddie snuff?

first i've heard.

[MAGICnewyork]

Ginsberg was a pothead pedophile... look it up! His 'buddy" hunter S. Thompson (who killed himself) directed child porn snuff films! The sick hippie bastard should have been strung up by his nutsack!