What do we physically receive in the Lord's Supper?

Pastor Lassman's Lesson 11 - The Lord's Supper
http://www.messiahseattle.org/education/aic/videos/lesson_11/
Videos from the Adult Information Class on basic christian teachings at Messiah Lutheran Church in Seattle, Washington.

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[karpov89]

The official teachings of the Church of Sweden is the consubstantiation is the explanation of the real presence. According to catholic belief, the Lutheran explanation is not theirs but they do not argue that it is church dividing; there is another reasons why when I go to a catholic mass I am not allowed to recieve the communion.

[nschaub]

HI...you might want to double check the teaching of the Church of Sweden and "consubstantiation"....because that is NOT the teaching of the Lutheran Confessions......so let me know! Pastor Lassman

[nschaub]

Hi.here's the difference: what do we recieve with our mouth? Only the Body and Blood of Jesus? Or the Body with the bread and the Blood with the wine? Yes, there is a difference because Jesus and Paul say the bread is with the Body and Blood..Rome doesn't. Christ makes his Body and Blood present..not the priest. I can't comment on your observation of those Lutherans..I was not there. ..Pastor Lassman

[seltian]

I'm afraid that I'm a bit confused. I thought:

That Lutherans were Protestant

That Lutherans called their view of the Real Presence "consubstantiation"

[nschaub]

Hi..thanks for your question. Roman Catholics would no doubt consider Lutherans as Protestants. But Lutherans have many differences with "other" Protestants..and this is often not understood. Lutherans object to being "lumped in" with "other Protestants"..and Lutherans don't teach "consubstantiation" that term was put on us by those "other Protestants" who don't believe in the Real Presence...thanks again..Pastor Lassman

[Norskyone]

Pastor, I am really sorry; but every time I post a reply to a viewer comment, it jumps up as a new comment. It's really weird. I didn't really mean to flood the comments with randomness.

[nschaub]

Hi...well thanks for your comments...the Lord be with you.....Pastor Lassman

[NorseLuther]

Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me...

[seltian]

Whether you believe in the Real Presence or not, it's not idolatry for Catholics to worship the Eucharist, because Catholics worship the Eucharist ONLY because we believe that Jesus is present. We wouldn't worship the Eucharist if we didn't believe that Jesus was present. Therefore, it's not idolatry. It is, at worst, an attempt to worship the One True God.

[JDNWF66]

@nschaub They are the Fathers of Protestatntism. What would you call them? Progressives? That too, maybe. If you seek popularity, you will never find it this side of heaven. Especially when you are so inconsistently brutal to Early Patristics but when it comes to the bible, it's all as clear as yesterdays newspaper. Sure, pastor. Sure.

[JDNWF66]

@nschaub Paul said nothing of the sort. You told me to rely on context when reading Ambrose. Do you do the same with Paul? NO, ya don't. You use a double standard whereby Pauline truth is plain as a newspaper to you. But if one wants to simply read AMBROSIAN writings frm 380 AD as is, it isn't that simple, is it? Do I smell a double standard? Pastor, you need to follow what you preach cause you don't. You are not CONSISTENT. Rome IS.

[JDNWF66]

@seltian Indeed. Confusion reigns supreme in The Lutheran Church as in all the other 30,000 denominations it has begotten. Go back to The Early Fathers of The Church and do some serious study for yourself so you will One True and Unambiguous Teacher Jesus left us in The Catholic Church. It's been around for 2000 years vs 450 years of Lutheran.. I would do some research, if i were you and someone gave me a blueprint.  Try "Faith of the Early Fathers: Three-Volume Set", by William Jurgens.

[JDNWF66]

@NorseLuther JESUS IS GOD. Catholics worship God In The Eucharist since Jesus is Divine. 

[JDNWF66]

@nschaub You already have a problem. Jesus is God.

[JDNWF66]

Oh.. I promised you my email. Here it is in the light of day. In the public square. Don't be shy... Come one, come all. AllI offer you is Public Resources to go to. I don't teach anything new. Only that which has been passed on from the time of The apostles to today in The Catholic Church. jdnwf55@yahoo.com

2 Thess 2:15

"So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught, whether by word of mouth or by letter from us."

[JDNWF66]

Final words on this topic unless there are responses. Here are just 2 quotes of your Founder, Martin Luther. "I shall never be a heretic; I may err in dispute, but I do not wish to decide anything finally".. You want to trust in a Church that can't step up to the plate and DECIDE TRUTH? Seriously? Last one.. "The Holy Christian Church is the principal work of God"..... I would add politely after the many things I covered here for you.. It appears to Martin Luther, God is very confused.

[JDNWF66]

The Pastor above said "Lutherans have many difference with other Protestants".. Correction. Lutherans have many differences with OTHER Lutherans! Wake Up Lutherans, Wake UP!!! Have you ever read any letters yourselves of MARTIN LUTHER, your founder? I sure hope not. You will be be terrified that a man of God would bear the name of Your Churches today. I will present a few and leave you my email because unlike Others...I don't hide from Truth.

[JDNWF66]

I want to empower YOU! Not ME! I don't want you listening one iota of what I am saying WITHOUT RESEARCHING it YOURSELVES!!!! Don't be sheep without a shepherd anymore! Like the abovementioned fellow.. Confused about Consubstantiation. Said it was The OFFICIAL Teaching in Sweden. Who knows, really? Do you? I guess we need to go to Sweden to find out for sure. he got the term there somehwere.. Maybe a Pastor told him.. It's not a kind of word used in common circles.. let's say that much.

[JDNWF66]

That only scratches the surface. I am presenting this to you only because of this teaching Pastor Lassman taught on public Youtube. I want to help you take charge of your own destiny. Does it make sense to believe what one man has to say about the Bible or 30,000 different men? Which is it? Wouldn't it make sense to have One Church to follow which was established by Christ 2000 years ago in an unbroken line of succession from Sts. Peter and Paul? You tell me where I am off the wall.