Greg Koukl - Is All Change Good? - Same-sex Marriage

Greg Koukl of Stand to Reason discusses the issue of same-sex marriage. Recorded at STR's weekly radio broadcast. For more information visit http://www.str.org.

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[TheStrong32]

@1blah2blah3blah4blah " The passage of official (not just de facto) same-sex marriage in 2000 did nothing to slow this national increase in 2001, 2002, and 2003."

Nor did it do anything to speed it up. In other words, the passage of same-sex marriage had NO demonstrable negative effect on marriage in Denmark.

[TheStrong32]

@1blah2blah3blah4blah "homosexual unions are structurally incapable of producing children from the union and therefore depend on rhetoric that ultimately decouples marriage from the raising of children."

Actually, no. Lots of same-sex couples are raising children and, according to numerous studies, are doing a fine job of it. Children raised by same-sex couples are just as happy, just as healthy, just as well-ajusted--and just as likely to be straight--as chilren raised by straight couples.

[1blah2blah3blah4blah]

@TheStrong32 : None of this is surprising given that homosexual unions are structurally incapable of producing children from the union and therefore depend on rhetoric that ultimately decouples marriage from the raising of children. {Material taken from the work of Dr. Robert Gagnon}

[1blah2blah3blah4blah]

@TheStrong32 : In Denmark about 60% of firstborn children now have unmarried parents. Since the introduction of registered partnerships in the Netherlands in 1997, out-of-wedlock births have increased annually there by two percentage points—double the average annual increase of the previous 15 years. The passage of official (not just de facto) same-sex marriage in 2000 did nothing to slow this national increase in 2001, 2002, and 2003.

[1blah2blah3blah4blah]

@TheStrong32 : In articles published in The Weekly Standard (2/2/04, 5/31/04), National Review Online (2/2/04, 2/5/04, 5/04/04, 5/25/04, 6/03/04, 7/21/04), and elsewhere, Stanley Kurtz has shown that in Sweden and Norway from 1990 to 2000—that is, in the period roughly coinciding with the introduction of same-sex registered partnerships (now almost de facto “gay marriage”)—out-of-wedlock births have increased roughly 10%.

[1blah2blah3blah4blah]

@TheStrong32 : The social-scientific evidence to date does not encourage the notion that validating homosexual unions is a win-win situation. A series of articles in 2004 by Stanley Kurtz, a Harvard-trained social anthropologist and fellow at the Hoover Institution, show that the introduction of same-sex registered partnerships in Scandinavia has coincided with a sharp rise in out-of-wedlock births.

[TheStrong32]

Ridiculour argument: Same-sex marriage will undermine the stability of [straight] marrieage. A bare accusation, which no one, NO ONE, has ever provided a reasonable explanation for. HOW will allowing marriage equality negatively affect straigtht marriage? As many times as I've asked this quesion, no one has ever, EVER answered it.

[perpetuallygrateful]

Uraine, we all have sins. And we all have things in our lives that don't conform to God's will. But if we systematically ignore what we dislike in God's word, how can we even admit our sins, let alone repent? So let's stop changing God to fit our image. God says homosexual desires "degrading passions". But God can also change people's hearts to love Him more than whatever they lust after. God doesn't do this apart from faith that He will forgive sins because of Christ and our repentance fr sins.

[perpetuallygrateful]

Plus Uraine, why should you be so surprised that God's point of view differs from yours? Are you so perfect that you cannot be wrong. But you're listening to the bible when it agrees with you and when it doesn't, you either disregard it or cuss at it. All I did was tell you what it says. And in Romans :25-27 it's clear that Paul wasn't merely expressing his opionion, because when it is his personal opinion, Paul tells us, as in 1 Cor 7:12 - "But to the rest I say, not the Lord, that ...."

[perpetuallygrateful]

So Uraine, since Peter declared Pauls writing to be scripture (and his declaration is more trustworthy than yours because his was backed by miracles), we should listen to what Paul says about scripture. Paul clearly tells us that all scripture is God-breathed in 2 Timothy 3:16. In Hebrews 1:1, the bible said that God spoke in many ways. If God chose to use people to speak and write His words down what's that to you? He chose to come as a baby in a manger. He can chose to speak through men.