Ray Comfort's Failed Watchmaker Analogy

Explains why Ray Comforts's revamped watchmaker analogies fail to make his point.

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[undertoww]

So the piss poor analogy may be your own. Because if i were to say watches just happen naturally you would call me a fool yet if i ask you where did these natural processes come from or where did the universe come from you would say we just find them naturally? The human brain just evolved naturally, the 2x4 needed an intelligence to make it. I think you really just debunked yourself.

[tillnow67]

Rays argument was that ALL complex structures need a maker. I was showing that some structures can be assembled without a maker if there is a natural assembly mechanism (such as chemical bonding) and the building blocks exist naturally in their necessary forms (such as amino acids). I wasn't trying to explain the origin of all matter here. You created that straw man because you couldn't address the argument. As for matter, who's to say matter hasn't always existed?

[undertoww]

so lets really think through this awful analogy. The watch needed a human, the human needed evolution (your conclusion), evolution needed chemical processes chemical processes need atoms, atoms need the basic laws of nature, the basic laws of nature needed (i dont know) the big bang, the big bang needed what. this can go on and on to what? Why is there something instead on nothing? It all has to be explained by something outside our system. So why was this system setup to create self awareness?

[tillnow67]

It is purely your speculation that this universe was "set up to create self awareness".

[Titania1]

Ray Comfort is a fuckn moron. The watch or the coke can etc cannot reproduce by either sexual or asexual reproduction or by pollination so therefore he fails. Fuckn tool, open a biology book.

[tillnow67]

You're ducking the question. Can a system explain itself or not. If no system can, then the proposed system your god lives in cannot explain itself and must require another system. If a system can, then this universe needs no external explanation.. Answer the question. Back up your assertion. Put up or shut up chief.

[LilDrummerBoy74]

Well, you might get a Jackson Pollack if you shake paints up in a box :P

[chrisinsocalif]

Ray Comfort is comparing inorganic materials with organic which react different in nature which results in a really poor analogy.

[Xigano1]

@undertoww

" ... this universe is so fine tuned for life ... "

The Universe is mostly empty space at a temperature around absolute 0. That's hardly fine tuned for life.

[scruethedemiurge]

good vid, but there's really no need at all to refute ray's "analogy" or to explain he's a moron. Anyone who doesn't already see that is hopeless and certainly won't be helped by this or any other video.

[undertoww]

Our reality has one dimensional time and science confirms it began. Outside our reality the rules could all change. things like start and end, something and nothing could have no meaning and beyond our comprehension. So since no one is aware of that reality you cannot say there is definately no creator. Because this universe is so fine tuned for life I believe the odds are there is a creator.

[undertoww]

Well I look at what I think is a miracle that we are self aware and I think the odds of that just happening naturally by mistake are overwhelmingly in my favor. Science speculates there is no creator, and I speculate there has to be.

[undertoww]

I addressed the argument by stating that no system, the clock nor the universe, can explain itself. So can you argue that a system can explain itself which you have not addressed. Its not a strawman because you stopped at "natural processes". Ultimately u do believe a clock forms naturally because everything came naturally. Science says matter didn't always exist, it began.