We Have Fed You All for a Thousand Years

Performed by Josh Lucker
http://www.myspace.com/joshlucker

Lyrics by an Unknown Proletarian
Music by Von Liebich

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[hopetaryn]

Great job. Nice video, too. In solidarity!

[jackriter]

The workers don't need a state.

[omfg4000]

Anyone ever feel like torching one of those "cribs" shown on MTV, give me a message and we'll work something out.

[caesarscook]

Well, as to the correspondence point, hell, you win. What's it matter? Your overarching point is a matter of splitting hairs, and the whole tangent about the POUM is really pretty irrelevant.

[caesarscook]

I have also just realized that I followed you along a Red Herring. A few points of clarification, in the comment to which I believe you were responding, I initially was not even referring to the POUM, but to the supporters of the Fourth in Spain. Also, the POUM was never "outlawed" by the Fourth, as it had no such powers. I can't believe I went along.

[satisatisati]

You can have different opinions based on assumptions on how "trotskyist the ranks of the POUM were" all yo uwant, but if you're trying to change history, then it's another thing. Nin did not remain in correspondence with Trotsky until the end, as said by Trotsky himself in his decleration regarding the murder of Nin, written and published first in "La Lutte Ovrière"15th of August 1937. The announcement is also to read in the book El POUM en la historia by Solano and in "La Revolución Espanola"

[caesarscook]

Nin remained in correspondence with Trotsky until the end. Were there differences, yes, but on important central questions, there was agreement. Did the POUM expel "Trotskyists"? Well, it depends on your definition. I would actually say yes, but many within their ranks would disagree. The Communist Left initially viewed itself as Trotskyist, so their expulsion would have halved the party. Those expelled were clear and vocal supporters of the organized Fourth. You're really splitting hairs.

[satisatisati]

First of all, Capital is a work of explanation(not a guidance on how to gain a class-less society). An explanation of the capitalistic system and its mechanics. Marx did not refer to anything close to the theories of Lenin.

Thus making it utter bullshit saying that Marxism is "Marxism"-Leninism by any meaningful definition of terms.

[satisatisati]

It is true that Nin(one leader of the POUM) and Trotsky were in correspondence, as friends, the years 1931-1933. This was before Nin joined the POUM. Furthermore Trotsky writes that after 1933 theoretical differences between the two made a "complete break" and also declared that POUM had thrown out trotskists from their ranks.

[caesarscook]

Well, actually, it is not taken from thin air. It's taken from facts. The POUM was in regular contact with Trotsky, and many in their leadership, such as Nin, clearly saw themselves as followers of Trotsky's. Sadly, the POUM was also filled with right-wing Bukharinists, who were simply anti-Stalinist, but lacked a clear revolutionary perspective. I suggest you watch our videos on the Spanish Civil War. Look under my videos section.

[caesarscook]

In what sense? Simply describing something as "utter bullshit" is not a serious approach to political discussion and debate.

[satisatisati]

This is utter bullshit, I see no parts of Capital being compatible with leninism.