Jazz singer Madeleine Peyroux is in this week's Second Cup Cafe. She's known for her amazing covers of songs associated with Bessie Smith, Billie Holiday, and Bob Dylan. Peyroux performs 'Instead'.
@kenjames64 Anyone who does a song made famous by somone else is to some extent a mimic. The TRUE artist will add some quality in ordwer to "own" the song. Madeleine does that. Although she does some copy with similar tonal quality and phrasing, she gives it that SOMETHING that makes the song her own, and the listener does not mistake her rendition with that of Bessie Smith or anyone else. That is REAL artistry.
@kenjames64 Could this be a false dichotomy? Everyone's imitating or borrowing from someone. The jazz historian and radio broadcaster Phil Schaap has done some amazing programs on WKCR where he compares recordings of vocal performances by Louis Armstrong and Billie Holiday to demonstrate the extraordinary degree to which Billie -- clearly a "genuine talent" -- mimicked Pops.
As with all art, the ultimate question is: "Do you like it?"
I love her voice; I've also been a serious Billie Holiday fan for going on three decades, and I'm struggling with the fact that her voice, intonation...even phrasing...sounds so very close to Billie's. Is she a genuine talent or a mimic? Anyone who is familiar with Billie's work, care to comment?
@kootenaylad I just viewed how your arguments could not be properly made until you came across a vivid example of what I'm talking about and obviously prefer.
If you would like to take the time to LOOK and LISTEN to what I posted, that's fine; if you don't want to, that's fine, too and I just won't discuss this subject with you any more, ever again.
@kootenaylad It is quite obvious you didn't look at the link I posted so this only increases the idiocy of your claim.
I am very aware on how common this this endless use of microphones is and it is also nice to see how utterly brainwashed you are as to both its necessity and how its "better" to mix.
Soundstage and imaging get totally trashed when this is done, though there are now synthetic ways of restoring it, is quite idiotic to even consider trashing it this way in the first place.
I love this fucking song!
robinly 6 months ago
@davnkatz What is the name of the song by Bessie Smith that is similiar to "Instead"?
TheSnakeoilmerchant 8 months ago
@kenjames64 Anyone who does a song made famous by somone else is to some extent a mimic. The TRUE artist will add some quality in ordwer to "own" the song. Madeleine does that. Although she does some copy with similar tonal quality and phrasing, she gives it that SOMETHING that makes the song her own, and the listener does not mistake her rendition with that of Bessie Smith or anyone else. That is REAL artistry.
davnkatz 11 months ago
@kenjames64 Could this be a false dichotomy? Everyone's imitating or borrowing from someone. The jazz historian and radio broadcaster Phil Schaap has done some amazing programs on WKCR where he compares recordings of vocal performances by Louis Armstrong and Billie Holiday to demonstrate the extraordinary degree to which Billie -- clearly a "genuine talent" -- mimicked Pops.
As with all art, the ultimate question is: "Do you like it?"
humanewman 11 months ago
I love her voice; I've also been a serious Billie Holiday fan for going on three decades, and I'm struggling with the fact that her voice, intonation...even phrasing...sounds so very close to Billie's. Is she a genuine talent or a mimic? Anyone who is familiar with Billie's work, care to comment?
kenjames64 11 months ago
@SatchmoSings I hope that's a promise.
kootenaylad 11 months ago
@kootenaylad I just viewed how your arguments could not be properly made until you came across a vivid example of what I'm talking about and obviously prefer.
If you would like to take the time to LOOK and LISTEN to what I posted, that's fine; if you don't want to, that's fine, too and I just won't discuss this subject with you any more, ever again.
watch?v=R8GKsMM67x4
SatchmoSings 11 months ago
@SatchmoSings No need to imply I'm an idiot.
kootenaylad 11 months ago
@kootenaylad It is quite obvious you didn't look at the link I posted so this only increases the idiocy of your claim.
I am very aware on how common this this endless use of microphones is and it is also nice to see how utterly brainwashed you are as to both its necessity and how its "better" to mix.
Soundstage and imaging get totally trashed when this is done, though there are now synthetic ways of restoring it, is quite idiotic to even consider trashing it this way in the first place.
SatchmoSings 11 months ago
She is a real darling. I'll always be a fan!
kootenaylad 11 months ago