Gi vs. No Gi debate

Both great arts, here are the facts

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[PaperNun]

Also let me just address this real quick. Its not fair to say all the good grapple rs today come from gi backgrounds. When No-Gi is still in its infancy. But there are pure No-Gi grapplers look at Denny Prokopos

Pan Am Championship - 1st place

Naga Arnold Championship - 1st place

United Gracie - 1st and 3rd place

Jiu Jitsu nationals - 1st place

US Open - 2nd place "twice"

No-Gi World - 1st place

US Nationals - 2nd place

etc.. etc..

[kenprimo]

@PaperNun did he train gi from the get go?

[PaperNun]

@kenprimo yah when he was like 14 with the Gracie's? But that just proves my point of No-Gi infancy. Denny has never been in any Gi tournaments nor did he even receive rank. "to the best of my knowledge anyway"

Ohh and also forgot to mention he was the "2010 FILA 1st place champion" as well. Sorry I asked him to slow down but he looked at me like I was stupid. ha

[kenprimo]

@PaperNun ok, lets say thats true, im pretty sure its not. but anyhow. lets say it is. lets say denny is good, thats what he is, hes not like adcc champ or anything or black belt pan am champ right? i respect that. ok, now how many others are strictly no gi grapplers and are adcc chanmpion? thanks, thats really my point, the percentages favor gi. can you seriously with a sane mind argue this? thanks

[PaperNun]

Ok this is the last point i'm going to make, cause I don't want to like flood your channel.

But ok lets flip the argument on its head. Lets say for the sake of argument its 1992 and I was like "Ohh BJJ doesn't work, because look at all the Japanese style champions there've been!"

..I hope now you see my point. thank you.

[kenprimo]

@PaperNun today jiu jitsu is commonly a ground art, japanese jiu jitsu is not suited especially for the ground. no gi and gi are, that argument does not work. s'all good, one love man:) lets see the future:)

[kenprimo]

@gr00ms1 yeah, and who in the top does not train gi. Let's see who does, Aldo, Edgar, GSP, Shogun, And Cain. And oh yeah, Fedor. Thats MMA, now lets look at nogi adcc, roger, marcelo, jacare, drysdale, all gi players. How can you argue this, seriously?

[OneWorldGoverment86]

@PaperNun i like the argument and i dont understand why the gi game wich is a lot diffrent from nogi makes your nogi game better. thats like saying if you train clinch takedowns in a gi you become a better greco roman wrestler.

[AidenReilly1]

The Gi doesn't make the grappler.

[izXztrickenX]

frank mir does gi jiu jitsu still to this day its a love for the art!!!much love my bjj friend!!

[takedown212000]

Josh Barnett and Jake Shields never trained with the gi. If you look at the first ADCC that Marcelo won he faced Otto Olsen in the finals. Otto was a college wrestler never training in the gi. Its the competitor and their dedication to getting better not what they wear

[MrBuddha721]

If gi and no gi grappling have such an argument then look at this from this view, why don't Greco roman wrestlers train Judo (w/gi)??

[BandakaKush]

One nice thing about training in the gi is that there is less direct skin to skin contact.

[GHRepresent]

@PaperNun not gi is not in it's infancy. it's been around forever. do some research on luta livre.

[darylonetwothree]

I can't help but notice that gi vs no gi is highly biased. People who train gi will sway towards that side of the argument, and vice versa . As far as I'm aware the concept of training fully in no gi is brand new, and has not taken the time to mature for the truly elite to fully rise to the top.

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@chulito1992 Amen

[fwsec]

Both art are great and yes gi players do dominate. @ any blue belt who would disrespect a black belt like Ken, you are the reason this art will be a fad like hula hoop or karate kid. We can disagree without resorting to being a keyboard warrior. Ken Primo has had more than one super fight and has submitted the best, obviously so has Eddie Bravo and I will never dis a bjj black belt who has done what these guys have done. Ken was also the translator and a huge part of Arte Suave documentaries.