John Piper - Get a Bible with all the words

"Go, Your Son Will Live"
John 4:43-54
August 16, 2009

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[tigerlilly66]

@tigerlilly66 = Friend, I have no idea what kind of "Christians" you refer to, but anyone with even a 3rd grade understanding of the Bible knows that the "dirt" is there front and center for everyone to see! Maybe you use the word differently, but the Bible has NEVER air-brushed its characters. Their failures, hypocrisy, lies...you name it, are not concealed, justified, nor excused. Name me any other so-called "holy" book that even comes close to this candor...there isn't one!

[ndzoko]

@tigerlilly66 The Bible tells us how to shed the dirt... This is the first admittance ever by a christian that there is "dirt" in the bible. My sincere thanks.. One has to learn how to read the bible, like one learns how to eat stinky cheese. Covering up your nose that you don`t smell it.

[tigerlilly66]

@ndzoko = So, uneducated people cannot "create" their own purpose in life? Tell that to Andrew Carnegie, who barely made it out of grade school, yet went on to become a billionaire. Not that you care, but men like Lincoln, Grant, Tyler, and others became President of the United States with little or NO formal "eduation".

The Bible tells us how to shed the dirt...Playboy still has the dirt firmly attached, just like the sow wallowing in the muck. Pretty much says it all in comparison.

[ndzoko]

@tigerlilly66 Bullsh... Educated people create their own purpose in life>>.So Playboy is a proper noun, but the "bible" is not...hmmmmm. Must be just a typo, right>> You got it, that`s what I meant. The bible is only a book of morality when you cover up all the dirt., just like Playboy.

[tigerlilly66]

@ndzoko =

I would surmise then, based on your il-logic that man is stictly a product of his environment. Personal choice and free will do not matter. We're just destined to float through life like so much flotsam...que sera sera.

Maybe that nihlistic "reasoning" works for you, but it is sure a pathetic, "it's everyone's fault but mine" position. Wouldn't want to have to "man up", how would we?

So Playboy is a proper noun, but the "bible" is not...hmmmmm. Must be just a typo, right?

[ndzoko]

@tigerlilly66 The bible is most probably, the greatest accumulation of nonsense ever. Some people like to eat stinky cheese, because, almost always, they learned to eat it as a kid. Same with the bible. Of course, when you read between the lines ,and cover up all the dirt, you have a marvel of morality. But in the same way, Playboy becomes a manual of morality too.

[max2right]

@lilly66 Those miracles cannot be repeated because they never happened, I say to believe biblical miracles happened with no corroboration outside the bible is not objective, reasonable or open minded. Proverbs 9:7-8 has nothing to do with the Ezekiel quote which is god’s word so any ploy is his. “At some point” and “trot out” I made that point in my first comment 3 days ago & still you cannot justify his killing of babies. This god isn’t worth a moments consideration.

[tigerlilly66]

@max2right = So if I cannot repeat the Resurrection, the parting of the Dead Sea, or any of a hundred other Bible miracles, that makes them null and void? Maybe in your mind, but not in that of any reasonable person open to objective evidence. I figured at some point you'd trot out the old Ezekiel 9 ploy...glad you didn't disappoint. There is a simple answer to it, but you won't accept it, so why would I bother?

You like to look up scripture, so give a try to Proverbs 9:7-8 for the reason.

[max2right]

@tigerlilly66 Evidence as in tested, repeatable and observable and documentation that has been peer reviewed. Dead in the water? You apparently don’t know that christianity is one of the three religions based on the faith of Abraham. It’s in the bible. I prefer something factual over a false impression In Ezekiel 9:5-7 this god commands men to kill old, young, girls and women and little children too. There is no context in which that becomes moral.

[tigerlilly66]

max2right - Your use of "empirical" tells me that you place experience above documentation, which means you're dead in the water before you begin. I'll freely grant you that the "Abrahamic religion" (Islam doesn't count) doesn't acknowledge the litany of small-g, false "gods" available today. The Bible speaks of immorality because it is a truthful recording of the deeds of wicked men. You'd prefer lies instead ?