Re: Pittsburgh Police Taser (with audio)

It is claimed by some that the police had no other recourse but to taser the girl. This is absurd. The idea that multiple 200+ pound officers could not singly or as a group subdue and arrest a 100-odd pound girl is absurd. Proper techniques would have brought this situation to a speedy conclusion, without the need to resort to a taser.
My assistants in this video were not told in advance what techniques would be done on them, but just to act naturally as they would in a similar situation. To respond to some comments, I do not end in full handcuffing position so as to not block the camera shot. To those who claim that this techniqiue would not work against a resisting subject, this is addressed in the video. If a subject resists, and will not give you the arm, it actually makes it easier. By keeping their arm tight to their body, they actually help by allowing you to lift them off the ground by this arm. They can then be maneuvered, using both leverage and inertia, onto their stomach. This technique is from toho jutsu, the technical name for the collection of tactics used by the Tokyo Police Department. It is NOT a pain compliance move, per se, but rather a leverage technique.

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[lilhoss2130]

You know what I've been tased three times for fun....what's the big freakin deal??? Everybody who is saying we shouldn't use tasers sound like a bunch of whiney vajayjays to me...Tasers are not as bad as everyone thinks...take a shot and then do some talkin if you die then...well...i guess you won that argument

[ManifoldSky]

@lilhoss2130

First, try a course in basic logic before you declare yourself the victor of anything.

Unless you are a police officer, I very seriously doubt that you have been actually tased. Electric stun guns are NOT tasers.

I just spoke to the latest class of cadets when after they got tased. Not a SINGLE one thought it was no big deal. In fact, they all thought it was far WORSE than they expected.

Re: your last bit, existentially quantified statements don't win arguments. It is just stupid.

[ManifoldSky]

@lilhoss2130

First, good job avoiding the central issues. What difference does it make if you were tased? Agan, logical fail. Please point to a single place where I ever discussed the pain as a mitigating factor in taser use. You are engaging in a straw man argument. Also, you might want to review the law regarding taser use, and the companies own guidelines. In addition to having no logical argument, you simply don't know what you are talking about.

[lilhoss2130]

@ManifoldSky You know what I'm not going to pretend that I have obtained a higher form of education but I do know one thing if I were an officer of the law and had to choose between whipping out the taser on someone, or getting hands-on and risk breaking an arm causing a lawsuit...I'm going to tase the hell out of her. If the girl was smart she would have listened to the police. I'm not trying to attack you or your education. So to dumb it down for the common folk you're one smart A**hole. lol

[ManifoldSky]

@lilhoss2130

And as already pointed out, that excuse could just as easily be applied to a traffic stop on a 90 year old woman. You never know if she has a gun. In fact, it would apply to EVERY interaction between the public and law enforcement.

Also, why are you commenting on a specific situation that you know nothing about?

Call me what you want, it doesn't make you any less an ignoramus.

Or any less wrong.

[blazinNAKEDBEERz]

Did the Pittsburgh Pigs take a day off from shooting unarmed children in the back?

[lilhoss2130]

@ManifoldSky How about we try to give people the benefit of the doubt...i know the difference between a taser and a stun gun and I was tased with a TASER issued by the state of Oklahoma for local law enforcement. The taser hurts a lot don't get me wrong...but as soon as they let go of the trigger the pain is done. No big deal! Sounds to me like those cadets might have exagerrated a tad bit but I guess different people have different tolerances for pain... like the 17 yr old girl who got it too!

[ManifoldSky]

@saved03 Part II

In fact, this country EXISTS because of it. Prior to the Revolution, the majority of people sided with the British, as loyal British subjects. It was largely due to the treatment of the citizens by British regulars that arrived to quell the unrest that the tide turned in favour of succession, fomenting a national spirit of rebellion.

World history is replete with other examples.

Please, if you're going to make historical arguments, at least do the courtesy of knowing some.

[ManifoldSky]

@saved03

Again, you just don't know history very well. During the 30s there were huge uprisings by disgruntled workers. There were the various communist parties (quite popular back then) the American Labor Party, the Farmer-Labour Party, and others. In the ensuing riots, police, often controlled and supplemented by paid thugs, beat the protesters, often killing them. National uproar over this almost toppled the government.

Why attempt historical arguments when you just don't know it very well?

[ManifoldSky]

@saved03

I know full well what you're saying, you're just wrong. Again, your grasp of history is tenuous at best, yet you attempt to make ridiculous historical arguments based on ignorance.

As to the ad hominem, it is you who started that buddy. You just can't take what you dish out. The difference, however, is that I didn't make it my argument. Ergo, it is not a reflection of the strength of my position. You however, made personal attacks the foundation of your point. Reread your posts.

[saved03]

@ManifoldSky Don't try to put tasing in the same boat as beating is what I'm saying. Finally if you have to throw personal attacks at a person with whom you are debating with. It only shows that your side is weak and that you have to do that to make your case look and sound better. I never once called you an idiot. Keep it clean or this is over with. I will not put up with a person who has this level of hostility when it comes to debating.