Dr Drew Pinsky denounces Anti-gay reparative therapy - Pt 2 of 2

AC360 7-12-11

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[AtheistTower]

APA defined homosexuality as a mental disorder once too actually.

[lgbtTV4]

@AtheistTower

In their defense, it was based on science of the time. Unlike opinions from religion, you can reason with the APA. They changed their opinion in 1973 after seeing that:

1) Existing studies were invalid because gays were recruited from psychiatrists and hospitals so course the gay subjects were sicker!

2) Most problems came from societal disapproval, just like the obese and minorities having low self-esteem. Gays in affirming environments had no higher rates of mental illness.

[AtheistTower]

@lgbtTV4

"it was based on science of the time" no it wasn't, I don't think you understand how the APA works do you? It's based purely on the subjective concept of abnormality; it doesn't change the fact that homosexuality is still abnormal statistically speaking - that's a fact.

[lgbtTV4]

@AtheistTower wrote "I don't think you understand how the APA works do you?"

Actually, I do. I did graduate work in sexuality, and some of my research had to do with the depathologization of homosexuality. I don't think you know how medical research works, which is my current field. The concept may be subjective, but good science still needs controls. So no matter how subjective, the criteria would still have to apply equally to the controls, which are heterosexuals. (continued)

[lgbtTV4]

@AtheistTower (cont) I've analyzed some gay studies from the 1920s-1960s. Have you? And most were scientifically sound for the time. Criteria that were applied to gays were also applied to heteros. So it didn't matter if the criteria were bad. Most problems came from selection bias. This is fully documented by the APA. What you don't understand is the difference between Research Design (my field) and Criteria Selection. Biostatistics really didn't mature until the 70's.

that's a fact.

[JeniusRetard]

Funny: Christians believe homosexuality is immoral. Christians believe homosexuality is a psychological disorder. Ergo, Christians believe that schizophrenia, which is TREMENDOUSLY hereditary, is immoral. You can go to "hell" making no choice whatever in the matter. What a swell God! :)

[espeonforever8]

id pound the shit out of anderson.

[buffalowingmediabias]

I have heard Dr. Drew talk out of both sides of his mouth on this issue. He has stated on the radio that people become (or turn, whatever you want to call it) gay due to a traumatic experience early life, just like some women become ho's due to sexual abuse during childhood. Then he turns around and claims it's biological. A lot of gay people I have met have mommy or daddy issues. Clearly it is not, at least not fully, biological. So then, how can you blame anyone for trying to change it?

[Imakecents]

Yeah, right, homosexuality is normal. This is what passes for psychology and psychiatry today, but these are usually the same people that will knock people's religious views, especially christianity unfortunately. Its the same junk that in satanic book which say, so whatever makes you feel good basically. This is the end times baby, that's why the world is so screwed up. We got the mainstream news media that like to feed the nonsense to the gullible.

[TheOneAndOnly2020]

@amarkanable Oh. I would have to agree with you then on that one.

[amarkanable]

@TheOneAndOnly20 I know Christians widely believe such things the debate was with @AtheistTower who was also claiming that atheists believe homosexuality is immoral, and then used the atheist PM of Australia being opposed to same sex marriage as proof that this is somehow a mainstream atheist opinion (Opposition to SSM does not automatically equal believing homosexuality is immoral).I haven't found evidence she uses "moral" arguments and apparently neither can AtheistTower.

[TheOneAndOnly2020]

@amarkanable I'm sorry, I should have been more specific. What I mean is, the attitude of gays choosing to be gay "in their sinful ways" and the idea of it being a psychological disorder, seems to be the prevailing idea among christians today. Of course there are exceptions, but they seem to be the minority. As I said, this is what I have felt looking from the outside in.

[amarkanable]

@TheOneAndOnly2020 What's a lot of what? Sorry not following.

[AtheistTower]

@JeniusRetard

Actually you completely missed what was defined as 'immoral' here, not the psychological inherency but how one lives as a response to it: homosexuality and homosexuals are not the same thing. Logical fallacy right there. 

[TheOneAndOnly2020]

@amarkanable Well, it certainly seems to be a lot of it, on the outside looking in anyway.

[TheOneAndOnly2020]

This interview just gave me a lot more respect for Dr. Drew. Seems like he knows what he's talking about after all, and isn't just some fake TV Dr.