Another Proof Of God: I'm Sitting Here, Therefore He Exists!
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@VESANG If one can prove that our universe was intelligently designed, then yes—I would believe. It would be foolish not to.
I fail to see why we should jump to the conclusion that it's God (especially an omnibenevolent, omniscient, and omnipotent one) though. Intelligent design would strongly indicate a deity, but saying that "only God could do it" would be an argument from ignorance.
Scyntist 41 minutes ago
@VESANG Cont.) and demonstration. At what point can we say that though? That would require one knowing everything there is to know about the universe. Every viewpoint, every fact, every detail—something, which I assume, you think that only God can do, and yes, I believe that's logical.
However, does such a being exist? If one can demonstrably and objectively prove that, then I say that person deserves more than a Noble Prize; they would have just answered one of the big Qs of our lives.
Scyntist 47 minutes ago
@VESANG Perhaps I should have worded it properly. When I say "there are no absolutes", I mean to say that science assumes there are none. This thinking is to allow new discoveries that contradict old ones (as long as there's sufficient evidence for it) and to stray away from dogmatism. So no, I am not certainly sure that there are no absolutes. I only assume to open the possibilities and prevent close-mindedness. To say there is absolute truth though? That requires most definitive evidence
Scyntist 50 minutes ago
@Scyntist If science tells you one day that there is God would you believe it ? Let's assume for a moment that they found proves for intelligent design of the universe/.No picture of God no personal contact with Him/
Would you trust them
VESANG 2 hours ago
@Scyntist Thanks for sharing! There is i big problem with your statement
"there are no absolutes"...it's an absolute statement. Here is the Q to think:
Are you absolutely sure that there are no absolutes?
If there is no absolute correct logic and truth in general there is no foundation for discussion even less proving anything .The same way you can't say "there is no God"
It's self defeating /with anti scientific approach to it/ statement.But let me express something else.Continue
VESANG 2 hours ago
@VESANG Cont.) logically justify believing in the existence of said being.
Scyntist 16 hours ago
@VESANG Cont.) Omniscience (which is often used to describe an attribute of God) is synonymous with your definition of "Truth". If such a being existed that was truly omniscient, then obviously there is such a thing as "absolute, factual knowledge". However, you can see the question being begged: is there such a being? And if so, is it God?
The point is, we can imagine ideas all we want, but they have no bearing on what is real and not real. One must demonstrate a God exists in order to
Scyntist 17 hours ago
@VESANG I could travel from NY to Atlanta instantly, but only if I was, say, God or somewhere down the line we discover the means of instantaneous transportation of matter (using a safe method). Presently though? No. It's impossible at this moment.
Truth, as you are describing it, is a concept--ideas that are initially conceived in our minds. We can hypothesize or imagine of obtaining absolute factual knowledge, but it would be irrelevant to whether such a concept was real.
Scyntist 17 hours ago
@Scyntist I will be back tomorrow.Consider your understanding of no absolutes.
If science is not dealing with absolutes...can you travel from NY to Atlanta for 1 sec? There are absolutes.There is no point of discussing anything if there is no absolute correct logic and absolute truth in general...if i accept your perspective all it's only a personal opinions and never the truth.Truth is factual and absolute by default. How we relate to it,accept or reject it is the big Q of our life
VESANG 17 hours ago
@VESANG Cont.) for God are increasingly shrinking as time goes on. There's no reason to say that "God doesn't exist" at this present time, but there's no reason to say He does either. I ask that if one can believe in one god, why not believe in two? Or three? People still continue to believe in the supernatural--even after hundreds and thousands of years. I'm very curious to find out why.
Scyntist 17 hours ago