Madman or Something Worse - Part 1[mirror]

http://www.madmanorsomethingworse.com

Madman or Something Worse is a short film that critically examines the ethics of Jesus of Nazareth. Produced by Peter Brietbart, with animations by Many Artists Who Do One Thing.

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[ImpiousGalilean]

Not one shred of historical, cultural, or textual context. Interpreting the text out of those leads to...not dealing with the text at all. Also no mention of actual Christian theology, just what is perceived to be Christian theology. We all know the best way to understand someones beliefs is to not consult authorities on the subject, but to make your own understanding of it. not. Nicely made with music, and photos, and stuff, but content is very poor.

[crossoldman]

@ImpiousGalilean You complain about historical, cultural, or textual context when the subject is morality. Christian theology is based on the teachings in question here. The content here is not poor, your just offended by it so you have to find something wrong with it. That's understandable but does not change the value of the work presented.

[ImpiousGalilean]

@crossoldman (4 of 4) PS: Jesus was not a a carpenter in "bronze age Palestine" as the narrator states at the beginning. The Bronze Age ended in the Near East in 1200 BC. About 1200 years before Jesus was born. Great content indeed...

[crossoldman]

@ImpiousGalilean Well, Well, Very impressive to anyone who thinks studying ancient texts is important to morality today . The Bible is a book, it's not magical, it wasn't even a whole book until 1500 years after Jesus. You found an error in the video about iron or bronze age, so what? You haven't addressed the point of the video. Christian morality is a farce, it's based on a book that endorses slavery from cover to cover. Slavery is immoral, the context is irrelevant, no analysis is needed.

[ImpiousGalilean]

@crossoldman (three) I have done more the address the point of the video, I have addressed the very heart of the argument of the video, that Jesus teachings are somehow immoral, and his teachings come from where?? A TEXT, and TEXTS are best understood within their context, which he gave NONE. The issue is morality, but if you can’t rightly understand a moral system, any critique of it is a sad fallacious, straw man argument.

[crossoldman]

@ImpiousGalilean "but if you can’t rightly understand a moral system, any critique of it is a sad fallacious, straw man argument." Pure BS on your part. There is nothing to "understand", there is no such thing as the "correct interpretation". Do you really believe that quoting a bible verse to make a point is quote mining simply because one does not present an academic analysis of the context under which it was written (as if anyone actually knows that)? Let's deal with reality here.

[ImpiousGalilean]

@crossoldman This will be my last post on this video, unless for some reason I am pulled back to it. I suggest read Paul Copan's book "Is God a Moral Monster?", interesting read. If you really want to understand Christian theology, and Old Testament practice, I suggest that over this presentation any day. Have a nice day.

[ImpiousGalilean]

@crossoldman (four/final) This isn’t an argument isn’t for God or Christianity, nor is it against Humanism, it’s against the misrepresentation of Christian theology displayed in this documentary which “apparently” is promoting truth and ethics.

[ImpiousGalilean]

@crossoldman (two) ..lies within understanding the text within its context. That is not controversial. I’ll just agree with you that Christianity is the greatest sham ever, blah blah, that doesn’t mean this guy’s arguments he presents still hold. He clearly fails to interpret the text within its context. I suggest googling what quote mining is to understand the epic failure in the presentation.

[ImpiousGalilean]

@crossoldman (One)Never said anything about the Bible being true, or even a moral guide. I'll agree for the purpose of my point that it is not. Nor did I say that my bronze age comment was the crux of my critique (PS stands for poscript, as in after the message). What I was saying however, if I wasn't clear before: we agree, Christian morality is derived from biblical texts. Which means they are texts, which like all texts it was written within a context. which means the correct interpretation..

[ImpiousGalilean]

@crossoldman (3 of 4) ... psycho analyzing me, doesn’t change the fact that he didn’t engage with the text beyond “well I think” as opposed to what very educated Christians, academics, historians, theologians (Christian or not) have expounded for over a millennia. Strawmen arguments are very useful for propaganda films, but to me they severely degrade the value of any presentation. I believe the ethical thing would be to present a case fairly no matter how much you disagree with it...

[ImpiousGalilean]

@crossoldman (2 of 4)...or classical studies, or by not even providing his own interpretative method he is not addressing Christian morality and in the broader sense theology at all. He is giving an “uninformed” examination of isolated verses (isolated in both the historical and textual, and linguistic sense). I believe the pertinent phrase is for such an action is “quote mining”. Please present to me how that is not the case, if that is not what is going on...