Free Will vs God's Sovereignty
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Uploaded by 2row777 on Mar 24, 2011
I was watching a video by "fivepointbaptist" that showed him open air preaching and answering questions. As he was explaining how God is sovereign and how Calvinism is biblical, some random person yells, "THAT MAKES US ROBOTS!" Well, that's what made me make this video lol. Kinda dumb...but it was fun making it :p .....OH NO WE'RE ROBOTS! beep boop beep need oil
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@paulomi123
I apologize, too, if I have came off as harsh or immature in any way, shape, or form. In person I'm very calm, but it's hard to read emotion and impressions through writing. I'm barely learning how to make videos properly, so maybe I'll do one on the ante-Nicene church fathers and Gnosticism, comparing it with Calvinism. I'll be interested in your response! ;)
Take care and God bless.
SaintsEdified 2 months ago
@paulomi123 "dosent irressistible grace signify that man if chosen by God for salvation can never fall even if he wants"
That's the problem. Irresistible Grace teaches that the regenerate person will not ultimately desire to fall away. There may be times of struggles and dry seasons, but because of God's faithfulness and steadfast, God will ultimate keep His children. My view of Calvinism isn't from a "different sect." It's basic Calvinism... Maybe you don't understand what Calvinism is.
SaintsEdified 2 months ago
@SaintsEdified so really this will be it from me (for real), it was nice talking with you sir, am really sorry for my harsh tones, but i will try to honestly go through all that we have discussed, hope you might do the same, anyways, tkr, :)
paulomi123 2 months ago
@SaintsEdified it was a great learning experience debating with, i think if we go on further, it will only end up being one of those harse and ugly debates i have come across youtube videos, i have debated calvinists on youtube in the past and i have thankfully always ended it with peace and love,and i hope to do it again, lets not ruin our debate, i think we both have said enough for us to ponder, i believe Christ Himself would not be desisring us to keep throwing slack at each other as many do
paulomi123 2 months ago
@SaintsEdified i believe in predestination, but i believe we are predestined according to our willingness to submit to Christ, i think there might be a mistake maybe you are contesting a different sect of calvinism, but according to what i have come across, dosent irressistible grace signify that man if chosen by God for salvation can never fall even if he wants, because he cannot resist the grace of God?, anyways i think we should end our debate here
paulomi123 2 months ago
@paulomi123
Nope? You don't agree that the Bible teaches predestination?
Irresistible Grace only teaches that the Holy Spirit's work of regeneration and the Father's word of drawing to the Son cannot be resisted. God isn't forcing anyone to do anything. Once regenerated, we have the desire to come to Jesus, repent, and be faithful. Our "free will" is now able to desire what really is good. So to answer your question, no.
SaintsEdified 2 months ago
@SaintsEdified but ultimately even the desire to choose, is forced upon by God due to His irressistible grace, and since man is totally depraved he cannot chose anything good,
paulomi123 2 months ago
@paulomi123
You seem to be implying a fatalistic view of predestination for Calvinism. Those who will be eternally damned are by choice unrepentant, unfaithful, and unwilling to come to God. Those who will be eternally saved are by grace chosen, faithful, and were drawn by the Father to the Son. If you are arguing that both views are predestination then I agree, but within the both views are MAJOR differences. Don't you agree that the bible teaches predestination?
SaintsEdified 2 months ago
@SaintsEdified nope but dosent calvinism imply that even man's responsibility is forced upon by God aka irressitible grace???
paulomi123 2 months ago
@SaintsEdified "God's election is not influenced by human choice" aka man is predestined to damnation and salvation without any choice of his, correct me if i am wrong but dosent this imply that both calvinism and gnosticism and consistent with the idea of salvation or damnation without human choice
paulomi123 2 months ago