battle of the bulge

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[TheSilverEagle100]

I'm so captivated by the scene.

I'm watching this over and over constantly.

[TomWDemarco]

They don't make music like this anymore.

[qjbullock]

i like the germans butt i like russia better. and i like there cute denflss .

[donnyab]

watch?v=gP328GViFf8

[mgwilliams1000]

@ironhorzmn Yes, in some cases but actually not as a rule. I guess I cannot change your mind on this and you never mine. They were still Soldiers on the field fighting for each other as much as anything. They were NEVER fodder... They gave as good as they got, read any Allied memoir. A conscript will be the first to run when the chips are down. "Waffen SS, The Encyclopedia, by Marc J. Rikmenspoel" is the read I would recommend.

[ironhorzmn]

@mgwilliams1000 I noted that after 1943, SS were conscripts instead of volunteers and were considered at Nuremberg not automatically guilty of war crimes merely by association.

(I'm sure they had plenty of individual cases.)

SS were so desperate for cannon fodder in the final years of WWII that they turned to their occupied nations for troops.

It would be reasonable to conclude that the strict standards, ancestry requirements and even the training regimen were, shall we say, relaxed.

[mgwilliams1000]

@ironhorzmn Yes, you are correct about 'Totenkoph' as originally organized as a fighting unit. It's ranks would be purged nearlly 200% when fighting the Russians. Non-Germans fighting in SS uniform...... Albania, Armenia, France, Geogia, India, Ireland, Poland, Spain.. And yes, my own great uncle Abraham Voth, a Prussian Jew lost forever (killed in combat) somewhere past the Dnieper river. it was a dedication more for the Fatherland than the Nazi's.

[ironhorzmn]

The ENTIRE SS, not just the Waffen SS, was outlawed and declared a criminal organization at Nuremberg. The only exception was for conscripts drafted after 1943.

The Waffen SS was implicated in over a dozen infamous massacres of civilians, Jews, and American POWs and an untold number of undocumented murders.

They participated directly in Nazi genocide by rounding up and shipping Jews to Hitler's death camps.

Wounded Waffen SS troops recuperated on 'light duty' as concentration camp guards.

[ironhorzmn]

The Waffen SS 'Totenkoph' division was formed mostly of former concentration camp guards.

So while the Waffen SS may not have participated directly in these operations, the fact that such evil was welcomed into their ranks with open arms makes the distinction irrelevant.

Of course Muslims, who hated Jews even more than did Nazis, would have joined a group intent on

exterminating them.

SS candidates had to prove they had NO Jewish ancestry. Please give me an example of Jews in the SS.

[mgwilliams1000]

@ironhorzmn No, do your resesrch better next time, and maybe crack open a book or two. The "Waffen SS" were the soldier branch. The Allgemire SS, or General SS as known were thugs who ran the concentration camps and so on. Himmler expanded his SS as a way for him to hold power, and Hitler approved it. There were Muslims, Asians and yes, even Jews who wore the uniform...... Want to depate me more?

[ironhorzmn]

@mgwilliams1000 Please do a little research before you post.

The Waffen SS was declared a 'criminal organization' and outlawed by the Nuremberg Tribunal.

The Waffen SS operated the Nazi death camps. They carried out mass murders, ethnic cleansing and racial massacres on a scale only exceeded by Mao and Stalin.

The Waffen SS were ALL 'party members' whose sole loyalty was to Hitler alone..not Jesus.

[ronninj]

Brilliant.