Sam Harris @ Beyond Belief 2.0 Oct-31-2007

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[almao2006]

If you are realy rational, You have to believe in GOD.

entirely easy for No Muslims( we have the Evidence= Quran): According to the Probability-Theory

Chance "There is GOD" = 50%

Chance "There is no GOD"= 50%

If you add the factor Judgement/Fire/Hell

You have to admit God, because in the two Cases....You win= No Risk

[RabidApe]

lol wut

[peekayb]

And delving deeper into linguistics and etymology, I would say that a-gnostic is not as powerful. A- as a prefix is without,not or , -less. Gnostic is a Greek term meaning knowledge--usually morphing into intelligence or spiritual knowledge. You do not present yourself as someone "without knowledge," rather you present a person who is purposeful in your thoughts and system/mechanism of belief.

[RabidApe]

I can be purposeful in my lack of knowledge. Quoth patcondell:

"I'm actually a fundamentalist agnostic. I don't know. You don't know. And anyone who says they do is a lying infidel pig!"

[peekayb]

I agree RabidApe. What I hear from you, you are indeed an atheist,and words are powerful. OED:

Agnostic:One who holds that the existence of anything beyond and behind material phenomena is unknown and(so far as can be judged)unknowable, and especially that a First Cause and an unseen world are subjects of which we know nothing.

Atheist:One who denies or disbelieves the existence of a God./ One who practically denies the existence of a God by disregard of moral obligation to Him; a godless man.

[RabidApe]

These two definitions aren't mutually exclusive or paradoxical.

Because I think X is "unknown and unknowable", I disregard any obligations to X.

How can I know my "obligations" to something unknown and unknowable? Why should I think I have any?

[Objectivist2112]

This man is highly adept at cutting through the slogans, prejudices and labels, identifying the objective truth and presenting it with precision and confidence. He is not afraid to confront his peers with ideas that don't fit into their collectively accepted norms. I see much banter here on YouTube between Christians & Atheists, and it's entertaining- but it is in videos such as this that we should be presenting the case, not just for atheism- but for rationality.

[Objectivist2112]

Yes! Let's encourage "Public Displays of Rationality"!

[almao2006]

@xlr8rkid98

your Problem: You think Allah did feel the way you feel!!

Allah think the way you think. Allah know what in your brain and your heart and he will decide the way he decide.

And i have no answer for you...

i have theQuran and i'm very happy with my religion

And you are very happy with Harris:

the Quran say:.....i have my religion and you have your religion...

[xlr8rkid98]

@almao2006 you refer to pascal's wager. Well sir, if your god is so forgiving, wouldn't he have room in his ever forgiving heart for someone who just couldnt bring himself to believe, and who spent his life being honest with himself? Which one of us is the more moral person?

[Ammdar]

@almao2006 Actually your statistics are wrong, if you factor in the fact there are literally thousands of proposed gods, its not a 50/50 break down its far more complex. After all you could be worshiping the wrong one... and burn in hell for that ;-). This argument is far from new, its called Pascal's wager, and its profoundly flawed.

[zellfalcon31]

"Butchers and Bakers and Candlestick makers." Sounds like he was about to rap.

[Redskin1040]

@Strangerinasland That may be possible, but belief and the concept of a God will always spring up somwhere on the planet. Take for example, the christian movement that is springing up in China. Despite these people either being free thinkers, atheists, or supressed by the government, they are accepting and believing in God. So, in my humble opinion, as there are many who will stop believing, there will always be many who will start to believe as well.

[Strangerinasland]

@Redskin1040 I think that unless we're hit by a big enough asteroid or we nuke civilization away, eventually there will be no belief in gods.

[Strangerinasland]

@almao2006 "you have to find this one God"

If you can't keep track of it, why do you think we should find it?

[Strangerinasland]

@almao2006 "only there are only one Religion" You don't know the meaning of the word religion.

" your job is to find it" Ooops, have you lost it again!?!