The priciple of causality refutes atheism

Atheism is refuted effects need a cause

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• Apologetics
• Atheism

[arthurjeremypearson]

Uh. Which one is the athiest? Which one is the Christ follower? Are you trying to make a point? The flat voices are confusing. The video ends with "Maybe we can get some answers from the athiest" - which sounds like an endorsement for atheism? Yes, we may one day find out the cause of the big bang.

This is a poor video.

[THEHAR0LD]

I don't know what caused it, therefore it must have been God. There seem to be a few steps missing in that train of thought. If you don't know who stole your lunch, do you assume that it was God until proven otherwise?

[GrandSupremeDaddyo]

@RedLetterChristian

"the bb might not be contingent but for this to be you would have to show how it isn't"

Well, no I wouldn't. I am not claiming that it isn't. Rather, I am saying there is no reason to rule it out. You are the one not only claiming something is non-contingent but that nothing else is.

"it just so happens that this being has the charactistics that we would also aply to god"

Such as? You have not provided any evidence for any of these characteristics.

[logicalmind4]

Why not have an infinite (if in different forms) universe?

[sunset261]

@RedLetterChristian Time is not a measuring device. I mean, we have systems that measure time but time is the name we give to the sequence of events. There can be no events period if there is no time. without time things cannot happen. It's hard to think outside of time because there is no reason to believe there IS a beyond it. I mean the very though of "setting" time is self-contradictory as time would have to already be present in order for that action to begin.

[GrandSupremeDaddyo]

@RedLetterChristian

Well the only characteristic you can apply is non-contingency. Everything else is a baseless assumption.

By abstract I simply mean something formless and spontaneous. I am not claiming this is the case, and I am not claiming that the big bang was non-contingent. I am simply asking what is it about God that means only he doesn't have to be contingent. You are the one making the claim here not I.

[RedLetterChristian]

@sunset261 time is a measuring devise. mass over distance. it is possible that there is something that is larger and more complex than the devise it's self that could supersede the devise. a metronome is an example of a time keeping devise. the devise that calibrates the metronome is larger more complex and can set time 0 on the metronome. We are so bound by time that it is hard to think beyond it. a way to think in this manor would be to think of in time and outside of time(would need no mass)

[RedLetterChristian]

@GrandSupremeDaddyo first, it doesn't have to be god, but it just so happens that this being has the charactistics that we would also aply to god. next the bb might not be contingent but for this to be you would have to show how it isn't. your last point about an abstract entity does not hold as pure abstractions only exist in the mind. and don't actually affect or effect anything themselves. true we can give them form (like nubers or definitions) but an abstraction is basicly an idea or ideal

[GrandSupremeDaddyo]

@RedLetterChristian

Why does this non-contingent 'thing' have to be God? Perhaps non-contingency is not so rare outside our understanding of the universe. God seems to have it for no other reason than him being God. So why not imagine that the singularity of the big bang was itself not contingent.

If you have to assume there is something that is not contingent, there is no reason to add a whole other array of attributes such as omni-benevolence. It could be something completely abstract.

[RedLetterChristian]

@GrandSupremeDaddyo no, what i'm saying is that everything that has substance or mass has a beginning there is a difference. the difference is that god does not have these and so is able to exist outside of and inside of what we understand to be the space time universe that we live in today. this makes him a being that is not contingent and able to create or make contingent stuff.