(Part 2) The Second Coming: Bible Prophecy

Ward Fenley is teaching a series entitled, "Matthew 24: The Olivet Discourse". Join us as we study this popular "end times" passage.

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[ncmilive]

Read Zechariah 12 and 13, look at the time frame references, and then decide for yourself. His second coming was not "at the cross." It was united as a part of His high priestly ministry as the second appearing. That is what AD 70 was. The cross to the parousia in AD 70 was all a part of completing the high priestly ministry. The Old Covenant was not completely done away until AD 70 for those who had not yet received Christ. Read Hebrews 8:13.

[SRamdhani1]

So Great Tribulation & Armageddon were fulfilled in 70AD? If so then Jesus' 1000 reign has begun. The Hebrew word for WORLD that was spoken means Civilization. In Noah's flood that WORLD ended in the flood, not the AGE. 2 Peter3:6. Dan.70th Wk. is the last 7 yrs. It begins with WARS, Mt.24:6, Dan.7:23 & ends with Armageddon Battle & Jesus'Return for 1000 yrs. Rev.19:11-21. The Temple destruction is just part of Lk.19:41:44 that predicts the destruction of the entire City of Jerusalem.at the End.

[pegcage]

I agree with this man. The Coming of Christ is not a SECOND coming, but means the Christ Age in which God deals with man through a New Covenant, the Old Covenant and the old age having passed. Christ is WITH US NOW in the form of the Spirit, and you have Him if you have been born again spiritually. People are still looking for something MORE. All that is needed now is for all to grow up spiritually into Christ. He is building the Kingdom of God in our hearts!

[roberts11000]

Actually in regard to the first three centuries, Justin Martyr admits there were many good CHristians who rejected his idea of "chilism" and or Premillennialism.

[GompCelticPL]

Yeah, and catholicism is a direct copycat of mystery schools' believe system by an accident.

[mooglecharmed]

Man you need to relax with that stuff, seriously. The Temple is the actual Temple; Jesus said their stones would not remain intact. And he said the church would never be destroyed. And no, Christianity replaced the Mystery Babylon in AD 70. If you believe in God, then have faith because Jesus said if we believe in him we will never die. So if persecutions come, just know that Jesus said we can't die - only go home. =]

[mooglecharmed]

You're actually quite wrong about church fathers not mentioning preterism. Most all agreed that Nero fulfilled prophecies in Revelation. That makes them preterists. In fact, Eusebius even thinks of Domitian as in there as well with these "mystery persecutions" on Christians. He thinks he was the fulfillment of Rev 13. Tertullian too if I'm not mistaken? So, yes, the fathers did in fact believe the fulfillments occurred but they didn't exactly have 2 millennia of hindsight 20/20 and reform.

[thehappyhoof]

I believe the Lord said what he meant and meant what he said, and I am sure you do also. However I believe that this prophecy has been misinterpreted, as having "come to pass", due to people before you, not reading it clearly and drawing false asumptions, leading to a wrong teaching. Then we hear this and pick it up, as I also use to think this same, till I actually read and really gave it some more t hought.

[thehappyhoof]

Men draw wrong conclutions unintentionally on God's Word. Usually because that is what someone else taught them. This belief that the prophecy was fulfilled in Mat. 24: of temple distruction has been around for a while. But what are the ramifications of teaching prophecy has come to pass "IF" it really has not come to pass? Then one must reinterpret the whole word to make it fit. This has been continually going on since the first century, leading to a false understanding.

[thehappyhoof]

and his disciples came to him for to shew him the BUILDINGS (plural) of the temple. And Jesus said unto them, See ye not ALL THESE THINGS (plural)? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

It's not just "the temple" (singular), but all the buildings of the temple, which included the Wailing wall, which was a retaining wall of the temple.

[ChristianNewsWatch]

thehappyhoof.... with respect:

The wailing wall is not part of the actual temple itself, but rather one of the walls of the courtyard of the temple. The temple itself was utterly destroyed from what I have been able to find out about it.