@th3orist At least the knowledge, or the understanding of their thought on ideology will help shape the questions that we ask, and I'd say that's a step in the right direction!
I think Zizek takes a Lacanian stance that we can never fully articulate ourselves through language, hence, there is no possible answer to the question (within language, at least).
@th3orist Foucault uses the term épisteme to describe this, McLuhan uses 'environment'. "We don't know who discovered water, but it certainly wasn't a fish." Environments are invisible, all-pervasive, and constitute our sense experience. For McLuhan, our primary 'ideology' is the phonetic alphabet and the linearity it imposes upon our understandings of space, time and the way we think (reason), but he says all this is being subject to change within the new electric era of image and sound media.
thanks. it really is hard. but also hard is to really catch the thought of althusser and zizek on ideology because you could easily formulate the question: and how to actually really change things when we are constituted through ideology which functions as a neutral force (interpellation) and more or less binds people to the structures of society that already exists and that have to be abolished... questions over questions :)
@th3orist It brings me joy to see there's people subscribed to youtube that've actually read a book or two. Well summarized, it's hard to get across reasonable in this limited forum.
i know that zizek is inspired by althusser on the ideology term. therefore i claim that there has to be always an ideology. the subject is constituted through ideology. to live in ideology means not, that you live in a wrong world or something like this. in some strange way ideology, as marxist poststructuralists (like althusser, like zizek) use it, is 'neutral'
ideology would therefore be to say: i know things and therefore i dont live ideologic.
A serious and good philosophical work could be written consisting entirely of jokes.
- Ludwig Wittgenstein
MrUsernamessuckalots 55 minutes ago
@th3orist At least the knowledge, or the understanding of their thought on ideology will help shape the questions that we ask, and I'd say that's a step in the right direction!
brollan1234 3 months ago
I think Zizek takes a Lacanian stance that we can never fully articulate ourselves through language, hence, there is no possible answer to the question (within language, at least).
safetydept 3 months ago
@th3orist Foucault uses the term épisteme to describe this, McLuhan uses 'environment'. "We don't know who discovered water, but it certainly wasn't a fish." Environments are invisible, all-pervasive, and constitute our sense experience. For McLuhan, our primary 'ideology' is the phonetic alphabet and the linearity it imposes upon our understandings of space, time and the way we think (reason), but he says all this is being subject to change within the new electric era of image and sound media.
safetydept 3 months ago
@myself
but i am sure that althusser and also zizek know of this issue. but i dont really know how they deal with it...
maybe the question is wrong because...yeah, why? what do we miss? :)
th3orist 3 months ago
@brollan1234
thanks. it really is hard. but also hard is to really catch the thought of althusser and zizek on ideology because you could easily formulate the question: and how to actually really change things when we are constituted through ideology which functions as a neutral force (interpellation) and more or less binds people to the structures of society that already exists and that have to be abolished... questions over questions :)
th3orist 3 months ago
@th3orist It brings me joy to see there's people subscribed to youtube that've actually read a book or two. Well summarized, it's hard to get across reasonable in this limited forum.
brollan1234 3 months ago
"likes" is not right. Silly!
faelismaegnus 4 months ago
@79898325
i know that zizek is inspired by althusser on the ideology term. therefore i claim that there has to be always an ideology. the subject is constituted through ideology. to live in ideology means not, that you live in a wrong world or something like this. in some strange way ideology, as marxist poststructuralists (like althusser, like zizek) use it, is 'neutral'
ideology would therefore be to say: i know things and therefore i dont live ideologic.
th3orist 4 months ago
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DystopianEmpire01 4 months ago