Bela Bartok - Sonata (Kocsis) 01

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[RedGlow82]

Thank you for this version with the score : ) but it would have been much better at a greater zoom, since it's really difficult to read it this way: perhaps by splitting the pages in half?

[klmnplk]

how to do that?

[newgeorge]

this is a much better tempo that lang lang's. more lyrical and much easier to understand. It also makes much more sense of the piu mosso section but where is the rest? second half?

[iif5]

Where's the rest of 'em?

[lorenzarthur91]

@toquepiano you just have to set to 240p instead of 360p to hear via both loudspeakers...

[stapler942]

@nonconformist12 The "tonic" of this whole sonata is essentially E. There's definately an emphasis on E and its dominant in the first movement (even in the final gliss, the notes are B to E). In the second movement he hammers on E repeatedly at the beginning. In the last movement there's definately an E-based mode in the ritornello theme.

[toquepiano]

Only hear the right channel! :(

[fredericfranc]

Re: dalecampbl5: "we are all a little primitive inside". The tendencies showing up in this sonata, as also in the "primitivistic" music of Stravinsky and Prokofiev ("The Scythian Suite") are in evidence full blast in Frederic Chopin's mazurkas. Many sophisticated musicians hated them in Chopin's time, he was bitterly and incredibly viciously attacked for their "crudeness" and "primitivism". The slight commotion Stravinsky generated with his "Sacre" was pretty tepid by comparison.

[marcohorowitz8]

yep, it's mono.

[madlovba2]

@Lingyis Same problem here, but I found the solution: change video's quality from 360p to 240p; it will become stereo. An other solution is to watch this: watch?v=GrZl0zOQlh8 It's the same recording, just with better sound quality, but without sheet. I hope I could help you.

[Lingyis]

i'm sorry, but is it my computer or or is this recording in mono?

[nonconformist12]

@dalecampbl5 I think it's only perceived as chaotic and slightly pungent due to it's lack of triadicism and traditional tonality. There's no major or minor chords here. It's mostly octatonic based. It's different, is all. Also, it sounds like you hit it right on the head with the primitive label. I'd classify this as primitivist music (in the sense of the style, along the lines of his Allegro Barbaro and Stravinsky's Rite of Spring).

[Sensenwerk]

@dalecampbl5 Check out his "For Children" works. You will find that Bartok had a talent for beautiful, easy structured melodies and inspiring harmonic as well. My favourite and personal tip is his No.10: Children's Dance.

[flammesombres]

No, it is certainly not.

[YTlsubzero]

aside for the fact that the world 'primitive' per se is problematic as it implies ethnocentrism... bartok's music is absolutely not 'primitive'. the complexity of his pieces is spectacular to the point where he includes golden mean ratios and intricate mathematical considerations in his music. if it sounds 'jarring' it's absolutely on purpose. it is meant to evoke strong emotions inspired by, among other things, his experience of the first world war. this is a work of art not 'stuff'.

[DarknessHowls]

I don't think his music is primitive at all--that he breaks the mold of most classical composers shows creativity and a willingness to think outside the box more than anything else.

Bartok is also known more for his efforts to organize and arrange Eastern-European folk tunes in a coherent and "classical-ish" manner than for his own original compositions, I think.

[xodn3300]

for some reason this comment cracked me up

[dalecampbl5]

bartok is a great composer, but i find it odd i find him great despite fact if we just listen to his music just as is without trying to over-analyze them, that its quite chaotic, and dissonant, not melodious, and just flat out primitive.  that's the oddity of bartok' fame...it rests on doing something one would find a musician to avoid...writing jarring music...and yet our brain (at least mine has) develops a taste for this stuff...I wonder if it is because we are all a little primitive inside.

[iamalittlespy]

Generally that's what people say when they have nothing of substance to contribute to the discussion. I realize that it sounds "not that good to you", I was just trying to help out. Happy Listening !

[dalecampbl5]

stop acting like an arrogant little pundit

[iamalittlespy]

Yes, those complex, ever-changing syncopated rhythms and dissonant counterpoint is very primitive indeed. Come on, before making uninformed comments like that, try to learn a little more about the piece and the musical context it was written in. Bartok uses piano as a percussive instrument in this piece and if you listen carefully you'll hear several folk-like melodies as well.

[dalecampbl5]

sometimes, i really wonder if this is really music that primitive people could've written...i mean, seriously, it sounds not that good...and yet it's enjoyable ... weird.

[dalecampbl5]

lang lang's version is good too!

[crisgranda]

Please upload them!!!!

[crisgranda]

Hello, I love this piece played by Zoltan Kocsis!! I used to watch it on video, but it's no longer available, does any one know what happened? I loved that video, it was a great great performance!

[musicy88]

this is by far the best version on youtube. one can be so inspired by this! and what happened to the videos????!!!!!

[mbenoni7]

What happened to the other Kocsis video of this?????????