Is Van Jones Trying to Co-Opt the Occupy Movement?
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New society huh? Probably one of those society there is no longer an incentive to start a new business to bring new ideas to the industry; because the more you make the bigger slice of your income will go to the Government to pay for new social products. Less innovation, less new businesses, less New Jobs.
Sounds like a great idea.
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One thing that bothers me about this video is... when you say we want to build a new society, not reform the old one... I don't see why you wouldn't do that by electing a candidate who then said "I'm going to dismantle the things that are unjust and together - with the people - I will restructure our society." I don't necessarily support Van Jones, I just don't like the outright rejection of any ideas except "form a new society".
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@bamboo4tameshigiri I agree, but the only thing to be careful of is that you don't promote the tyranny of the majority. Having a solid constitution is important to prevent the "majority" from doing shit like voting on things like gay marriage. I'm not saying I believe you think that, I just wanted to reply and point that out to differentiate the people supporting an actual representative constitutional democracy, and the people just saying "let’s vote on shit!" Well said though.
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1.Read my post more carefully for the "what else do you have?". 2.No, I didn't make that claim. I asked you a question, which you seem reluctant to answer. 3.You're more interested in assuming a superior position than in sharing ideas (i.e. not answering questions and suggesting that you "started me thinking", as though that's a phenomenon for me). As Barney Frank told a Tea Party member, talking to you is like talking to a dining room table. Have fun contributing to the problem.
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@conguera " That's only one little tactic to worry the banks.."
What else do you have?
quote, "Do you seriously think that's all the Occupy movement is about?"
You said that, I didn't.
Quote, " your ideas for fixing the system"
Financial mess we have is relatively new. We didn't have it before, did we?
At least you started thinking. Good for you.
Now, one more push. Think why it was working before.
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@allgoo19 That's only one little tactic to worry the banks. No one is suggesting that "move your money" was supposed to turn everything around. Do you seriously think that's all the Occupy movement is about? What are your ideas for fixing the system, other than things like reinstating Glass-Steagall, getting rid of corporate lobbyists, and many other issues that concern OWS?
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@conguera "Of course it's in the system!"
What "move your money" got to do with the fixing the "system"?
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@allgoo19 "You have no idea the problem is in the system, do you?"
Of course it's in the system! What do you think the Occupy movement is about?
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@conguera "You're not thinking about in the right way..'
Ha! Who's not?
Why chasing small flies each time they appear? Movement against $5.- charge? Another movement for another charge? How effective is that for fighting against predatory lending or risky investment that cost tax payers hundreds of billions?
Did $5.- charge for ATM hurt the economy in anyway?
Show me if you have any proof.
You have no idea the problem is in the system, do you?
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I'm pretty sure Rebuild the Dream was created before Occupy Wall Street even began.
If you keep accusing everyone who tries to fix the country of "co-opting OWS" you aren't going to have any support left.
If you actually visit the website for Rebuild the Dream and read their platform, it's very consistent with OWS goals:
contract . rebuildthedream . com/?rc=rtd_about
whatisahumans 3 months ago 21
@AllOtherNamesTaken2 In case you haven't noticed, this isn't the ancient fucking world. Representative democracy is NOT democracy. It's Plutocratic Oligarchy and always destined to fail due to corruption. This is the modern world. Every single person can have a vote. We don't need ~300 people telling the millions of the rest of us what we can or cannot do because they are all bought and sold and don't ever really represent US anyway.
bamboo4tameshigiri 3 months ago 12