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Boeing 787 Delay Liner News:

Boeing damages credibility with decision to delay first flight of 787 Dreamliner.

The words "much delayed" are beginning to attach themselves to the Boeing 787 as if they are part of the brand name. On Tuesday came perhaps the most stunning delay of all: postponement of a first flight intended to show the world that the much-delayed Dreamliner was finally ready for prime time.

Yet it's not.

The latest bungle has badly damaged Boeing's already-dented credibility. It raises questions about its reliability compared with Airbus. And it sets the company up for a much tougher financial climb.

More and more, the idea of a global supply chain to cut costs and gradually replace those testy, expensive workers in Everett seems like a really dumb idea, especially for what is billed as the most sophisticated and complex commercial aircraft in history, one based on composites. So does the trial balloon of moving production to beautiful but backward South Carolina.

There's a reason why seasoned Boeing workers in one of the world's top aerospace clusters are worth good money. Compare a two-month labor showdown to a two-year Dreamliner delay and there is indeed an issue with the "workforce reliability." Unfortunately it's the workforce in the executive suites.

After replacing top executives in the commercial-airplane division twice since the 787 project began, Boeing may face pressure for new candidates to walk the plank. A more pertinent question is why the executive changes have still not produced a turnaround. That should bring calls for accountability in the highest echelons of Chicago.

Investors are not amused. Boeing shares had been rising since March, partly on confidence that the Dreamliner's problems were behind it. On Tuesday, they fell 6.5 percent. Surprising Wall Street isn't nice.

Neither is the renewed sense of uncertainty. Apparently the problem, a structural weakness in the body where the wings join, is serious enough that Boeing executives can only say the first flight will be some weeks away. Boeing executives will face tough questions about how the latest delay will affect earnings going forward, now that the 787 won't be flying this quarter.

Some cash-strapped buyers may be relieved by the delay. They may not be in a position to pay for Dreamliners for several years. And, with the price of airline fuel moderating, airlines are catching a break on the urgency of fuel-efficient planes.

But the Dreamliner mishandling comes amid the worst recession since 1982, possibly since the Great Depression. Aircraft orders have plummeted and cancellations have risen. The consequences so far are the loss of 10,000 jobs, including 4,500 in the commercial-aircraft unit.

These jobs produce among the highest economic multipliers in the region, supporting as many as three other jobs in other sectors, far more than jobs in retailing or other service sectors. Their loss comes on top of the dreadful losses at Washington Mutual and Safeco.

Add in the Dreamliner, and the stakes become much higher. The delays have already cost Boeing orders. In other cases, it has been forced to give customers concessions because of the postponements of deliveries. We may never know how costly those concessions were since Boeing negotiates individually with its buyers and does not disclose financial details of purchases.

Just last week, Boeing and first customer All Nippon Airways held a ceremony that involved the breaking open of a sake barrel with wooden mallets. It was, the airline said, "a traditional Japanese way of marking auspicious occasions."

Nobody's celebrating today


First Delay Update Oct. 10, 2007:
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/290032_boeingearns26.html

Second Delay Update Dec. 11, 2007:
http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/aerospace/archives/127530.asp

Third Delay Update. Jan. 16, 2008.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/347593_dreamliner17.html
http://markets.ft.com/tearsheets/performance.asp?s=BA%3ANYQ

Fourth Delay Update. April 9, 2008.
http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/aerospace/archives/136134.asp

Fifth Delay Update. December 11, 2008
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/391659_boeing12.html
Sixth Delay Tech Update. June 23, 2009
http://blog.seattlepi.com/aerospace/archives/172036.asp
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8115147.stm
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/24/business/24boeing.html?em

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[arsenium666]

Burning Down d´House:

9th Nombember 2010: the day Smoke appeared in the cabin of a 787 during test flight near Laredo, Texas. Nov. 24, Boeing said it is "developing minor design changes to power distribution panels on the 787 and updates to the systems software that manages and protects power distribution on the airplane."

The repeated 787 delays are "a great disappointment," Shinichiro Ito, CEO of launch customer ANA. ANA is pressing Boeing to clarify whether further delays will occur.

[arsenium666]

Kid´s birth is getting "problematic"...

Wait when it gets older...

LOL

[arsenium666]

Forensic evidence from the fire damage pinpoints Contactor CK2435505, one of two in the P100 panel, as the source of the ignition. The contactors are electrical control boxes that relay the power from the generators on the engine and distribute it as needed. They open circuits or close as power needs fluctuate. Contactor CK2435505, on top of the panel, was “melted”, while the lower contactor, CK2421501, suffered “extensive fire and smoke damage to backside.”

[arsenium666]

Fire from the contactor burned a hole between 12 and 15 in. long in the back of the P100 panel, and badly charred the adjacent fuselage insulation blanket material, which effectively did its job in preventing burn-through to the interior of the 787’s primary composite fuselage skin structure.

[arsenium666]

Boeing may lose $271 million in government payments for satellite launch services if the Defense Contract Audit Agency finds that the company violated federal accounting rules.

Pentagon spokesman Navy Commander Darryn James said that the Defense Contract Audit Agency is currently reviewing whether or not Boeing "improperly billed" the Air Force in a 2006-2008 contract. The billing was for labor, management, quality control and support costs in the Delta IV rocket program.

Boeing=LOSERS

[alexsomers]

i dont understand why everyone must be either boeing or airbus fans. i'm happy to have both since the added competition benefits US. I love the a380, excellent plane.. I also love the 777 and am sure will love the 787 as well as the a350.

This is a revolutionary plane.. the delay will be worth it.

[homobohemicus]

come on guys... arent you sick of A versus B fights all the time? Both planes are GREAT and both companies are kept on their toes to compete and only that way we get a better product... delays? shit happens... but at the end we will see great 787s and 350s gracing the skies... chill and lets enjoy aviation and keep politics aside

[OceanSeaMaster]

So critical... WASHINGTON — The repair needed to correct a flaw in the fuselage of Boeing Co's new 787 Dreamliner will take 10 to 14 days per plane, a top Boeing executive said. Speaking at an event hosted by Barclays Capital, Pat Shanahan, general manager of airplane programmes for Boeing Commercial Airplanes, said it is not a complex repair, but it takes valuable time as the company races to ramp up production for the long-awaited carbon-composite airplane.

[xavoc]

Oh look, 787 certified for flight.

[averredude101]

wow lottoloser was trolling here aswell. Well I hope he watched the whole video and learn that boeing is not doing good

[compdude100]

i hope it will actually be delivered on the date Boeing has promised. If it does that will be a first. And once they can deliver this jet, they can focus on stretching the 787 and making a 797 that is the 737's replacement.

[xavoc]

@arsenium666 Yeah, it's also the plane to us an all electrical instead of compressed air system. Which is partly the cause of the fire. I'm sure they'll get it straightened out, and yeah they'll lose some orders. That tends to happen when you build a radically new aircraft.

Is there a particular reason you're hating on Boeing, or you're just in Europe and think you might influence sales?

[ManiPulatoR84]

@vidistudi If this is true, it's scary... any sources?

[AVIATIO]

Any one that says that this aircraft sucks, is in fact sucking dick.

[vidistudi]

Boeing found out later that if they want lightning protection for the most POWERFUL strikes they had to add so much metal, it would become almost as heavy as an all metal plane. They did a compromise and asked the FAA to lower the lightning safety standards for the fuel tank. A really super powerful lightning strike would be so rare I think they figured it's cheaper to just pay for a few extra plane crashes than increase the fuel consumption if more protective metal was added.

[compdude100]

@Funfisique the 787 doesn't even compare to the a380 in size, etc