Jonathan Tsay - Beethoven - Sonata op.111 - II. (Part 1)
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Go Jonathan!
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This is a very interesting comment, as I was also struggling with the tempo and could not find anything in literature on this topic.
There are recordings of this part on YouTube by Levy, Arrau, Horszowski, Barenboim, Ashkenazy, Pogorelish, Serkin and others. Is there any of these recordings which to your opinion gets the tempi exactly right? Or is there a CD recording of such an interpretation? Is your own recording available on CD?
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I hope you don't mind me making the above criticism (it's more a comment than a criticism). I realise that you are a fine player (that's obvious) so thanks for posting the video. But that tempo relationship has caused so many problems over the years. That's why Friedrich Gulda re-recorded the sonata for Philips - he belatedly discovered it after having recorded the sonata once.
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At 5:00 unfortunately you're doing what almost all pianists do: the tempo relationship between Var 1 and Var 2 should be 'bar equals bar' in order to preserve the same rate of harmonic change. It's very difficult to do this because the internal pulse of each bar changes from nine beats to six (I broadcast this sonata for the BBC in 1996 but still didn't get it precise). This affects Var 3 as well. This was discussed in the London review (1825) of the first publication of the sonata.
BrucknerEnthusiast 4 years ago
Thanks for the advice - I actually experimented a bit with the movement after this performance a couple years back and I think I came closer to what you were talking about than what's posted (I practiced by recording the theme and then fitting the variations to it at one point).
psychokaz 4 years ago
It is a good question though, about the "mathematical" side of the variations and the first-hearing impression of the ever increasing vibrations on those harmonies and how much leeway is given for the improvisatory aspect of the performance. I guess I'll figure it out better when I'm 70.
psychokaz 4 years ago