Q&A Occam's Razor and the Existence of God

Occam's Razor is often used to refute the existence of God. Here goes!

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[JaredTheTwitch]

By invoking God we have to give a reason why he caused the Big Bang. Otherwise, our hypothesis's (there it is again) becomes:

1. God created the Big Bang but we don't know how.

2. We don't know how the Big Bang came about.

There both pretty much the same, except one just happens to be more complex than the other. Occam's Razor comes to the rescue and gives us a reason not to invoke the God of the Gaps argument.

[JaredTheTwitch]

If he is above the rules of science, that is he is super-natural, then science has nothing to do with him and must look for a natural explanation, invoking Occam when necessary.

It gets kind of complicated, but infinite regressions and God tend to due that.

[Achilles9924]

I think Occam's razor wouldn't disprove God but it would prevent it from making God personal, omnipotent, all-knowing, etc. And about big bang, well if we understand everything regarding "how", wouldn't Occam's razor be close or probably correct regarding "why", just like in a detective novel, if all the clues are there couldn't you point out "why" and "who" ? I mean Occam's razor would only not work if we are ignorant of what we are talking about.

[kneale6]

Beautiful argument

[QWho2005]

@ZangrilloJordan

It is well established that paintings have painters. There is no basis for universes having creators. There is nothing to compare our universe to. And to call the universe a painting is not a back-boned claim. An abyss of 99.9999...% empty space is not wonderful. Our planet has both good and bad, are you suggesting that your god specifically caused the Haiti Earthquake, the black plauge (oh no it's part of his plan!) and the 3-4 year old on AMW that was raped and trashed?

[BlasphemyChannel]

Sooooooooo......you cite beg the question when using the big bang example, but when you say GOD (which god?) is the reason the universe exists, obviously, that isn't begging the question? When God enters logic, ever, always, at all times, the logic ceases and stupidity enters the frame. I'm disappointed in your reasoning and you should be too. Oh, and God can be disproven, least, a God who is clearly defined. All that is left is the vague deist god or the superfluous pantheist god.

[ZangrilloJordan]

whoa. im no bible lover or anything, but the reason for the universes birth is nothing that can be proven scientifically. all science does is explain how the painting was painted and even what was used, but that in itself is not the painting itself. theres a whole other dimension to things that science cant say why, but only how.

[RefinersFire298]

Amazing! This man has a brain able to reason with logic, a rarity these days! Very well explained david.

[types10000]

the theist also states that occam's razor doesnt apply because God needs to be disproved is also false.

in every topic anywhere that is analysised logically, an affirmative claim requires evidence before it can be regarded as true.

as no evidence has been presented for a God a state of disbelief is the logical default.

do you believe there is an invisible dragon under my bed, or would you require evidence before you believed it?

[types10000]

funny the guy in the second part is arguing that a cause and effect relationship can exist without time. say 'i'm a stupid theist 3 times fast'.

the application of Occams razor is simple, he just cant think rationally.

he fails to realize that Occams razor is NOT about simplicity, it's about the least number of unknowns.

[types10000]

hi,

Occam's razor basically says that when faced with two competing arguments the one with the least unknowns is usually correct.

the bigbang basically says there was a singularity that caused the rapid expansion of space-time, even if you were to say that the singularity needed to come from somewhere you would still only have one unknown.

whereas with God, you need to answer where God came from which will undoubtedly result in an infinite regression unless special pleading is employed.

[AlexrYoung]

This is foolish, causality is an attribute of timespace, so it isn't needed to explain the Big Bang. Replacing the Big Bang with a God theory because of the lack of causality just extends the infinite regression one step, what caused God? Turtles, all the way down...