Health Care Forum: Mike Gravel (1 of 3)

Health care forum, Las Vegas.

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• Gravel
• 2008
• President

[hadenufnow]

THE current bill is not the answer ,,,does not address proper Tort Reform, "undocumented" access for expensive non-life threatening HC , & does not provide MOST IMPORTANTLY an OPT OUT Provision for those that believe it is still too bloated with waste & inefficiencies resulting in inflated premiums not in keeping with services provided.

....A mandate stuffed inside a trojan horse bill for HC is a skunk in the road...too stupid to debate...

REPEAL the BIll nobody ever wanted

[hadenufnow]

Kill the bill...

[mindtraveler2350]

Now don't misunderstand. The Fed must be abolished and the power to make money placed back in the hands of the government on a full reserve banking practice (the Fed and all banks currently practice fractional reserve banking where banks are allowed to lend up to ten times their actual reserves at interest). The government should make this money based on the statistical demands of population growth. But the power to make money shouldn't be had by a for-profit corporation (off topic... but meh).

[mindtraveler2350]

You are correct that the Fed is baaaad. But we DO NOT need a gold standard. We have no gold reserves and the gold that does exist is monopolized by a select few. More than 60% of the gold is owned by the IMF and World bank. Gold standard would lead to monopoly control of our money. We once printed our own money during colonial times (colonial script) and it was totally fiat and controlled by demand. We had a great period of prosperity until the Bank of England forced England to tax us to death.

[Norcator]

In Canada you cannot pay for your health care. Many people therefore have to travel to the US to get the care they need before it's too late. I agree that almost 50 million Americans without insurance is a much bigger problem.

Jon Stossel talks about many of the problems with socialized care. A video called Dead Meat also shows the problems.

[Norcator]

My source is David Walker. Have you seen his 1hr lecture? Of course the military is part of the problem. Today 20% is military, 19% is M.care and M.aid. The problem with with Medicare is that the cost will increase massively when the baby boomers begin using the program. All of the spending and taxation programs of the government need better control and more transparency than they have today to fix the problem.

How will Gravel pay for universal health care with a tax that is revenue neutral?

[gravelin08]

Yes, because that's immediate care. Disinformation commentator: what long cues? which current public health care systems are you talking about? The ones for almost 50 millions people in USA who don't have or can't afford health insurance/medical care? Your comment is MISLEADING. Some people in this country CAN'T EVEN GET IN LINE!!!

[gravelin08]

BS the cost of deficit is not health care. It's wasted money on military expenditures since WWII. It used to be about $300 BILLION a year and now it's half a trillion and that's not including Afghanistan and Iraq. Hello!? Stop lying! 1/2 tax dollars go to unnecessary military expenditures. What are you afraid of?

[Norcator]

Lets I need an immediate operation to save my life. Can I then spend money I don't have until I get my next voucher without ending up in one of the long cues that are one of the problems with the current public healthcare systems?

[Norcator]

According to David Walker, the US Comptoller General who told Gravel about the 50-60 trillion fiscal gap (countries in Europe are worse of), the cause of the deficit will be the cost of public healthcare. I know Gravel wants to change the tax system, but how is it going to increase the revenue of the state enough to pay for universal healthcare when the amount of money paid by the citizens with a sales tax is supposed to stay the same as today?

Watch Walker's one hour speech on video.google.