Roy Williams flips

Actually he's stated that it does hurt him when KU fans say bad things about him, maybe not to the point that he criesthough. He definitely gave everything he had to keep Kansas the top notch team it is. Bill Self graduated from and played for Oklahoma State and didn't jump ship like Roy though. He knows there is no better job than KU. Roy could win many poor championships and still be in Dean Smith's shadow at UNC. He would have been a saint forever at KU even if never won a championship here.

Okie State is a joke compared to both KU and UNC, so that isn't exactly a fair comparison. And no, he wouldn't have been a saint at KU if he never won a championship. I'm a Texas Tech grad and I remember the KU fanbase giving him plenty of crap for his teams never being able to win the big one. That's hardly sainthood.

Um you weren't in Lawrence the last few years Roy was there. People were ready to rename Allen Fieldhouse, "Roy's House." The ones that gave Roy crap were probably the same ones that wanted Bill Self fired after the first round loss against Bucknell.  And if you're going to use the "joke" logic, UNC had become the epitome of a joke in the early 2000s. KU was in the Final 4 two years in a row while UNC was falling further and further into oblivion. But there was no doubt Roy would fix it...

Did you just compare Okie State with UNC? UNC basketball is like Notre Dame, UT, Oklahoma, USC, etc. in football and KU, UCLA, Duke, Kentucky, etc. in basketball. Sports success is cyclical for everyone, even the most storied programs. But that still doesn't change the fact that the UNC job is not comparable to Okie State.

Just to compare Self's situation, it'd be like me being the UT football coach. With that situation, why would I want to coach the Texas Tech football team?

I think you may have just proven my point though. Roy Williams took a major side step and risk going to a broken UNC program. Yes UNC is his home, but Roy was riding high in Lawrence. As far as jobs and appreciation goes, KU isn't one of those jobs you just abandon. He'll always be in Dean Smith's shadow. The legacy he could have cemented at KU will always be greater than whatever he does at UNC because of Dean Smith's legacy there. At least say you understand my point whether you agree or not.

I understand your point, but I do disagree with it. He may have never won a title at Kansas. He now has two of them at UNC. I'm a golfer and golf fan. For years, Roy Williams and Phil Mickelson were both the "best to never win the big one" of their sports. That has changed and I am sure that Roy Williams is very happy that he was able to make it change so quickly at UNC.

Oh Phil... I bet as a UNC fan you were also relieved that he was able to win it with his own recruits even if it was an off year in NCAA men's basketball. Bill Self went from the best to never have been to the Final 4 to the only coach to win it all when the Final 4 was all number 1 seeds. What Roy couldn't do at Kansas in 14 years Bill did in 5. Maybe because he left his heart in North Carolina...

I'm not a UNC fan. The only time I've ever rooted for them is when they play Duke, but I root for everyone against Duke. As for the Self/Williams thing, I think Williams leaving KU worked out pretty darn well for KU. They got a much younger coach, arguably a BETTER coach, and they won a title very quickly after Williams departed. Looks like they have a great chance to get another one this year. I just hope they don't beat my Red Raiders by 50-60. LOL.

Every hates Duke. Fact! As for KU they always seem to find ways of losing to Tech. Hopefully not this season. The rest we'll just have to see.

Our program has fallen off the map thanks to old man Knight forcing us to let his son take over as coach.