Talk Bowling - #0015

What is and how do you find the Positive Axis Point (PAP)?

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[flopshotgolf]

@youngsumma - I was also confused when I started learning about PAP last year. Basically, the PAP is a static measurement of a spot on the ball relative to your track of the ball, which is based on your release. Therefore, your PAP can be measured on any existing ball that you own, or even a house ball! Once that PAP measurement is known, then your driller can position the PAP a certain distance away from the pin on your new ball before he punches any holes.

[youngsumma]

hey guys im new to this PAP thing. if finding your PAP means you have to bowl it first, wouldnt it mean that your pro shop would have to plug and re-drill the ball for you to have the exact PAP desired?

[NGC500]

You were an AWESOME help, thanks ALOT, i really appreciate this. I think im going to map out my virtual gravity tomorrow and finally have an accurately drilled bowling ball, hoping thats the reason i cant score. League tonight, third game was crushing the pocket leaving 10 pins, 4 pins, 9 pins, 5 pins, just insane, 1 strike, no opens that game for a 186, so hopefully drilling off of my PAP will fix that now :) THANKS SO MUCH AGAIN cgeorg. :)

[cgeorg]

PAP is measured from the grip center. Left for lefties, right for righties. And then there's also an up/down component. So a PAP up 5 3/4" over, 1/2" up for a righty would be 5 3/4" to the right of the center of the grip, perpendicular to the line between the thumb hole and the middle of finger holes, and then 1/2" up from there.

[NGC500]

thats actually a lot of help there. But, im a little confused. You said the PAP for PDW is 5 3/4" over. What do you mean by over? Is that a measurement from the finger holes? or the pin? or? Other than that, i get it completely now, you were a huge help Thanks. :)

[cgeorg]

In other words, you don't decide "I want a PAP of such-and-such", and just go have that PAP. That's like saying "I want to be 6'3". Well, I'm 6' - I can't just decide to be 6'3. Now, if I want baggy pants, I might get a 38" inseam. To get the same look, a person that is 6'3 might need a 42" inseam. In the same way, a layout with the pin over the middle finger might give one bowler the same look that another bowler would get with the pin over the ring finger, because their PAPs are different

[cgeorg]

The "huh" was at "what affect does it have on the positioning". What positioning? You don't necessarily want the PAP located in a certain place - it is a product of your release. Michael Fagan's PAP is about 3 1/2" over, whereas PDWs is about 5 3/4" over. The important thing is that they know where the PAP is, so that if they decide they want a certain reaction, they can lay the ball out so that they can attain that reaction with their release.

[NGC500]

i get that, but i dont get what the positioning of it does, and where we want it located. get what im saying? and if you "huh" is directed at the dog in a bowling alley quote, i was joking because they had that little dog come in the room, while they were making this video, but they arent really in a bowling alley. :)

[cgeorg]

It allows you to layout your ball properly, it's a result of your release so you don't really want to move it, and huh?

[NGC500]

omg theres a dog in a bowling alley! jk... but, this didnt help me much, what is the point of knowing our PAP, where would we want it located on the ball, and what affect does it have on the positioning?