psychiatry - a fake? a fraud? a crime...

http://intodelusions.blogspot.com/

Transcript of an excerpt from BBC2 "The Trap", broadcast 11th March 2007
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trap...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._D._Laing Could psychiatrists in America distinguish between madness and sanity?"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosenhan...

"He was called David Rosenhan and he devised a dramatic experiment. He assembled 8 people, including himself, none of whom had ever had any psychiatric problems.

Each person was sent across the country to a specific mental hospital. At an agreed time, they all presented themselves at their hospital and told the psychiatrist on duty they were hearing a voice in their head that said the word "Thud". That was the only lie they should tell otherwise they were to behave and respond completely normally."

David Rosenhan - "They were all diagnosed as insane and admitted to the hospital."

Question - "And were any of them insane?"

David Rosenhan - "No. There was nobody who could have judged these people as insane. ... but I told friends, I told my family, I get out when I get out; that's all. Be there for a couple of days and then I get out. Nobody knew I would be there for 2 months!"

They found there was nothing they could do to convince the doctors they were sane and it quickly became clear that the only way out would be to agree that they were insane and then pretend to be getting better.

Rosenhan agreed and after a month, the hospital proudly announced that they had discovered 41 fakes. Rosenhan then revealed that he had sent no-one to the hospital.

The effect of The Thud Experiment was a disaster for American psychiatry. It destroyed the idea that they were a privileged elite with specialist knowledge.

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[jhuffman2424]

Wow, it's unbelievable that public opinion is still as far behind times as is apparent from a number of the comments here! I am a psychology major and I can clear a number of things up here. 1)Psychology has been around since the times of Plato. 2) Psychiatry is accredited to Wundt. 3) Psychiatrists are psychologists who have been through med school. 4) If you buy into this psychology "conspiracy theory" bull, I'll likely be seeing you in the future to help you with your mental instability!

[sudyma]

@jhuffman2424 i wonder where you´ve made your master in psych. did you buy it online?! wundt has nothing to do with psychiatry. he was a neurologist and taught physiology and is the founder of experimental psychology.

psychiatris are "specialized physicians (doctors), adepts of the mechanistic model of the human being. psycholpgist share the "ganzheitsmodell". go back to school buddy.

indeed, you are rightwho is far behind everything is you with your stupid comment.

[nageljeuk]

If that's a proof, then a drug that causes you to commit suicide is a proof of that the will to live is insanity. We all know that drugs can alter the functions of the brain. The problem with 'insane' is trying to make hard that certain functioning is 'wrong' or 'not how it's supposed to be', and that's pretty easy to say of the minority. Take homosexuality and now paedophilia is starting to repeat the story. Psychiatry isn't a science, it's a method of chemical forced assimilation.

[dairyking887]

I'm sympathetic to criticisms of psychiatry. Heck, I've criticized it myself heavily many times. But it's not a "fake" science. It's an imperfect science, like all science. Biologically-based mental illness is real. I'm living truth of that. I've had an anxiety disorder all of my life. I've tried every non-pharmaceutical approach possible, but the only thing that really helps me is medication. I wish that it weren't true. But it is.

[ghostwrangler64]

jhuffman2424, yes, I am sure that your arrogance, information bias, and con firmation bias will enable you to bully amd intimidate many of your future patients into allowing you to control their health care and poison them with experimental drugs and therapy. Hooray for bullies! Right?

[jhuffman2424]

Nice try dude, but if you actually took a psychology course, you would know that Woundt is in fact credited as being the father of the principles that founded psychiatry. I don't blame you for your uneducated attempt to discredit me, Wikipedia is often a bad source of info.

[a930601ndy]

@amytriptalene I did this myself! I'm never going back there again.

[smartblonde07]

This all happened @ a time when psych'l disorders were not seen the way they r 2day. Back in the 60s & 70s, ya, ppl's illnesses were seen as somehow "wrong." But 2 now say that the field of psychiatry is backwards is ITSELF clinging 2 an old way of thinking. Now, u r taught from the beginning not 2 JUDGE a patient's delusions. But there is STILL a need 2 help those whose way of thinking is destructive towards themselves/others. Further demonizing & stigmatizing psychiatry is not helping anyone.

[MexicanJudge]

@MexicanJudge And... it was actually born as psychiatry with the good ol' Wilhelm Wundt in.... Germany I think..

[MexicanJudge]

@TaimaDjinn Yes.. there may be a lot of retards in it just like there is a lot of murderers in common medicine or corrupt politicians!! But it's structure is by itself correct... (just for psychology... effen psychiatry :@), although this SCIENCE is relatively(sp?) new and has to go trough discoveries and mistakes! "If someone has never made a mistake, he's never done anything" (Albert. E.)

[TaimaDjinn]

@MexicanJudge No, man, this isn't like "chicken or the egg," or anything like that: psychology gave birth to psychiatry, they both make patently superficial observations about everything because they are not able to to view things from a biological perspective.