Final Cut: The Making and Unmaking of Heaven's Gate (Part 7 of 8)
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"Even bad movies have at least something good you could say about them but this one had nothing." That's BS, it may be overlong and wandering but many of the visuals are stunning. Lots of these critics had been pissed off by Cimino and they swarmed on his fall from grace like vultures.
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Those critics are much too harsh. Not a single good scene??
That's total bs. I found the movie overlong and hard to engage in myself, but I admit the craftmanship and quality in the making itself is very good.
In architecture there's several examples of dull looking buildings, but at the same time they may be very strong structurally and nobody could possibly call them "bad buildings" or lacking any quality to them.
Seems to me pretty much all these movie critics jumped on the bandwagon.
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To me, Penelope Shaw sounds like the classic enabler. Listen to any single one of her clips thru this doc. She sounds like she encouraged Cimino's egotism.
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It's not the responsibility of the critics or the audience to find the meaning in a film. It's the filmmakers' responsibility to show them the meaning.
And what is Kris K. doing comparing the panning/failure of a film to the murder of a child???? What a ridiculous, pompous comment.
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How many people who are bad mouthing this film have actually seen the director's cut? It's easy to forget that Cimino was nominated for a Palme D'Or at Cannes for this film. The response to this film in America is a classic example of lunacy by committee. People go crazy in packs, but they only go sane one at a time.
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@frankbooth64 Well, he did eventually star on the TV show "Deadwood."
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Ms. Shaw seems to be a complete moron!!!
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michael cimino and HIS "heaven's gate" = H.U.B.R.I.S.
cimino if he was so cocksure of his abilities as he apparently showed during "heaven's gate" production should've simply sat back and see how the public would make of his "baby". Think of Kubrick. Kubrick didn't necessarily panic with 2001 or Clockwork or Metal Jacket and the viewing public rewarded his movies with long term positivitiy from the critics.
Heaven's Gate is the first film which required me to turn on Closed Captioning. The dialogue sometimes is impossible to hear.
TonyLyndellWilliams 3 years ago 16
Kathleen Carroll was the New York Daily News film critic from 1962 until 1992, twelve years, apparently, after she gave this interview. One of the most stunning aspects to the United States that I left behind 8½ years ago was the durability of people who did their jobs poorly (and the difficulty that competent people had rising through the muck that the States had sadly become). Ms. Carroll should have lost her job over the philistinism she displayed here. But that's not how things work there.
bangfarang 2 years ago 8