Pinan Yondan Shito Ryu

Pinan Yondan Shito Ryu

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• Pinan
• Yondan
• Shito
• Ryu
• karate
• kata
• heain

[RinKongH]

Beautifully performed it would only be better with the kiai (shout), btw, what's with all these guys bragging about their styles saying my style is better than your style or my martial art is better than your martial art? jeez i thought only kiddies argued like that. If you can't say anything positive or constructive just keep your mouth shut

[redneckninjanc]

Chambering at the hip is there to train the Karateka to grab and pull whatever they can grab, breaking the opponents center-line, making them vulnerable. In combat, hands are held high for defense and speed. Thanks to Kata, the hikite (chambering motion) is hard wired in to grab and pull.

[DGHProductions]

I prefer my Ninjutsu.

[eisbombenhagel]

@BelloBudo007 First of all, I think that karate has always been a matter of research. At least for Miyagi Chojun this seemed to be true. Also I don't think that there is a single dojo where you could learn "pure, old-style" karate. Karate was composed from various sources. With the introduction in schools it was turned into something quite different and pretty much standardised – even there are various "styles". All of them are tainted by that school karate and this was reimported to Okinawa...

[BelloBudo007]

@eisbombenhagel - Of course that's true. I was more hoping that perhaps there were still some dojo still using the old methods. If not that's okay too. I understand.

[eisbombenhagel]

@BelloBudo007 I highly doubt that there are any 19th century karate clips on youtube... Really... ;)

[BelloBudo007]

@eisbombenhagel - Great to see that you feel so passionate about the subject. No doubt there are others who feel equally confident that kiai is productive & a way to stimulate a fight response as opposed to a flight response. As for me I have no opinion either way. Can you recommend a you tube for me to see the type of Okinawan karate that you refer to please?

[eisbombenhagel]

@BelloBudo007 Also "wrong" or "right" is a matter of perspective: If an organization tells you that it is needed to be right (to rank up in its hierarchy), then it is "right"... But it's actually a fact that okinawan kata did not have fixed kiai. And for the 99%: I'd even say that 99,999% of "karate schools" don't know what they are actually teaching... Someone here named the "hikite-myth" for example - and put it right. The "kime-" or "focus-myth" would be another. Same with kiai...

[eisbombenhagel]

@BelloBudo007 Well, you should take the history of karate into account: Kiai are actually there to impress bystanders (like civil servants and other state officials). For power development there is no need for kiai. It's even counterproductive in a real fight because a) every movement should be decisive, b) you don't know when it's over, c) the psychological effect is actually nil (there's usally a lot of shouting and yelling) and d) relaxation is even more important in a stress situation.

[BelloBudo007]

@eisbombenhagel - Mmm that's interesting. I've actually never really considered kiai as 'flashy' before. So it seems 99% of karate schools have it wrong then? This is Shito Ryu kata and while I don't know a lot about that school I'm quietly confident that they usually employ kiai along with other methods of training to develop focus, speed and power etc.

[eisbombenhagel]

@BelloBudo007 Well, let's ask: Why kiai? In old-style okinawan kata, there weren't defined points for kiai. There are certainly more important things for power development (or force deflection!) than (flashy) kiai – like, let's say chinkuchi and other related (internal) concepts of karate...

[BelloBudo007]

@RinKongH - Yep I wonder why no kiai?