Saddleback Church Civil Forum - Obama & McCain 7 of 17

Question: Do we need federal funding for stem cell research? 7 of 17 questions asked by Pastor and author Rick Warren of Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, California. The same questions were asked of each presidential candidate, Barack Obama and John McCain in an informal forum called Saddleback Civil Forum on August 16, 2008.

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[eod4me]

Creation is just a human conception, created by humans right along with the concept of a creator. Science doesnt conspire against religion, it is a systematic method of defining the observed relationships between phenomena. A key aspect of a scientific theory is that it can be disproved. Religious experience is purely subjective and can never be disproved. This invalidates it as a scientific theory. Dont try to use the big bang theory to justify your susperstitions when you dont understand it.

[tenderglo4]

that seems a little like sarcasm but thanks for your prayers and please try not to degrade people

[TheBeatyBunch]

you just compared my lord and my savior to fairies and mermaids...and miscarriages can not be prevented...40 million abortions can be prevented...40 million innocent lifes there are better methods than abortion like adoption...this is why obama and mccain both are trying to change this method...obama is more in favor of legalizing it then cutting down on the numbers and finding a solution later...while mccain wants to just get rid of it altogether right away...

[samuelhggns]

This is to all of the scientist and non beleivers out there. Look at it this way. "Something" or Someone created the ability to CREATE. Atoms and neutrons didn't just pop out of no where. The big bang didn't happen out of no where with out someone creating it. Please think about what I just said. I will be praying for all of you.

[FujinKage]

There is God and there is Satan. God is not the only one with power. Satan is the ruler of the earth and Christians are the Kingdom of God on Earth. When someone has a miscarriage its not the work of God or even God allowing it. God and Satan can only do what you allow them to do. What really sucks are generational curses(When you or someone in your generational line screw up and invite Satan in and give him the authority to cause that). The good news is those babies automatically go to heaven.

[life0is0just0a0ride]

dont tell my girlfriend, lol

[quaternio]

I just fell in love with you, life0is0just0a0ride.

[life0is0just0a0ride]

i was saying it's hard to hate something you do not believe in. thats why i used fairies as an analogy.

not sure why your rambling on about world wide national holiday and multi-denominational churches these things dont come in to it. you cant hate something you dont believe in.

are you saying if people made national holidays and multi-denominational views on fairies and you didnt believe in fairies you'd hate fairies. ofcourse not. if you think that then maybe you need help.

[theguyfromaustralia]

Strawman. God doesn't cause miscarriages but he ordains them (which means he allows them to happen as a form of judgment) so, no, God is not under the same word.

When fairies and mermaids affect the way we follow a calendar or have world wide national holidays and multi denominational churches in their name, then it's something to think about...Since when do people claim the world was made by fairies? Those arguments you use are boring and old, time to think of new ones.

[life0is0just0a0ride]

i dont hate christians, i hate people who say something is clear cut when its not, at what point was i insulting christians if meredithstephanie is calming that abortion is murder than surely god is liable under the same word when it comes to miscarriage. and when you said i hate god how is that even possible i dont believe there is a god so automatically you think i hate him, dude wtf? do you hate fairies and mermaids? ofcourse not cause to you there not real.