Submarine Aircraft Carriers: the Future of Naval War 2/2

Fortunately for us, the WW2 Japanese realized too late the importance of logistics and movement chokepoints like the Panama Canal. Unfortunately, the Japanese Admirals morphed into succeeding American large aircraft carrier admirals and marine generals who didn't understand WW2 while it was happening to them and certainly didn't get a clue afterwards by building smaller and smaller numbers of bigger and bigger carriers that CANNOT EVEN GO THROUGH THE PANAMA CANAL. What dumbasses. Today's sensor covered battlefields demand SPEED to get to the scene of desired influence more than WW2 yet it was "the greatest Generation" Army strategists like General Marshall that understood the importance of saving DAYS of transit time by the canal which enabled our Navy to mass forces into either ocean as needed to smother first the German U-Boats then the IJN. While Army troops guarded the Panama canal from the coast, it was open to attack from the sea.

http://www.combatreform.org/submarineaircraftcarriers.htm

With FDR's jeep carriers and our long-range and short-range seaplanes and Gato class submarines scouring the Pacific ocean, the IJN surface fleet was swept from the sea which should have been a warning to our Navy to GET OFF THE SURFACE unless you are going to dominate it with HUNDREDS of ships and THOUSANDS of planes, not handfuls of big and expensive cash cows packed with Sailors and marines like sardines. Thus, the IJN developed the amazing I-400 class submarine aircraft carriers that could each carry Aichi Seran attack seaplanes and were preparing to launch an attack on the Panama canal at war's end. They didn't get to launch the attack and teach us a lesson in technohumility because the war ended first.

After the war, we captured the I-400s (but only 1 Seran seaplane) and could have learned from them but our selfish, large aircraft carrier racketeers sunk them instead--to cover up a BETTER IDEA lest it threaten their BS racket. We have been suffering with a bloated WW2 re-enactment navy/gyrene corps asking to be sunk as the threat from precision guided munitions increases by the thousands as our ships dwindle into handfuls. During the 1962 Cuban missile crisis, Russian submarines with nuclear torpedoes were a push-button away from incinerating the Navy/Mc carrier/amphib Iwo Jima re-enactment club assembled off-shore forever had President Kennedy not wisely got a back-channel agreement with the Soviet dictator to avoid WW3. Today, there is no place to hide on the surface of the ocean in slow 30 mph, thinly armored surface ships in small numbers and its high time we develop our own submarine aircraft carriers as LTG Gavin explained in his 1958 book, "War and Peace in the Space Age"

http://www.combatreform.org/warandpeaceinthespaceage.htm

..or there will be no future but disaster for our Navy/Mc.

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[69sexdemon69]

Putting man aircraft on a submarine today/near future would be mega waste of time and dangerous, Unmanned aircraft much better option, Safer, Lighter, And smaller radar signature, And while several nations have plans for there current vessels to be fitted to launch small/medium UAV's, The RAN plans there future submarine to be able to launch large UAV's capable off attacking targets hundreds of km's inland..

[dynmicpara]

@69sexdemon69 UAVs suck. Look at the mess we are in with Iran capturing our allegedly "stealthy" UAV. If we are not willing to put men into danger, we have no business doing WAR. However, submarines launching UAVs ARE AIRCRAFT CARRIERS. And guess what? Cruise missiles with wings are actually AIRCRAFT, so we already have SUBMARINE AIRCRAFT CARRIERS, the point is they are one-way and lack the versatility of recoverable seaplanes and the reliability of manned aircraft.

[beowulf342000]

If you want to project power send a B one squadron from the comfort of Texas. If you want to smash cities use an SSBN. When you need an instant local airbase send a Carrier but don't risk it as it is too rare to use in a fight. The last class worth risking was the Midway. Nothing says economic power more than building a hundred carriers in 5 years and deploying them like they were cheap. If you can't do that you are in decline.

[dynmicpara]

@beowulf342000 We are in decline because we are stupid, greedy and inefficient. UAVs are not going to save us from ourselves and our racketeering.

[dug3400]

bull, japan went to the next level as they are still doing. their timing was bad.

[dbviewer5]

We've wasted about 2.4 trillion on the "stimulus" lie, so far.

At 5 billion a piece, we could afford 200 carriers for only a trillion dollars.

Just think of the jobs, that would create.

It would certainly do more for the economy than Oba-Mao's marxist schemes.

Just about anything would, since his objective is obviously not to stimulate the economy, but to destroy it.

[dynmicpara]

@BigMPChris Recon units can be extracted far better by seaplanes than the current conglomeration of small boats and ships we use--even submarines can ill afford to venture into coastal waters to pick up SEALs/Commandos...we need seaplanes!

[dynmicpara]

@BigMPChris Our naval "policy" is crap racketeering that in war will murder thousands of our own men when the bloated surface ships and their beloved carriers go down in flames. Typical American hubris asking for another Pearl Harbor...

[dynmicpara]

@LegendOfJomtein I-400

[dynmicpara]

@upsilone19 ON THE WATER.

[upsilone19]

just a question... how do they land? :)

[seapeddler]

At ground zero, the heat produced by the Hiroshima/Nagasaki blasts was 9 000 000 degrees. That's hot enough to roast a weenie. Anyway, WW2 was not as epic as the nuclear damage inflicted in the Sinai peninsula. The mountains are still a vitrified green color, and the water from its' wells still radioactive. Same goes for Death Valleys' vitrified green mountains. Who was involved in this nuclear exchange? Perhaps giants? Nephilim ? Rephaim ?

[lolmehaha1]

USA Bitches

[Renshen1957]

Had the Japanese attempted an airborne torpedo attack against the locks, this would have been more successful. This could only have been practical during the occupation of Dutch Harbor. The IJN and the Japanese Government War Culture mindset was to destroy the Pacific Fleet and then negotiate a peace from a position of strength. Midway settled that once and for all. Yamamoto knew Midway was the beginning of the end.