Tiger Woods Swing

Tiger Woods at 2007 Buick Invitational, hole 13

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Sports

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• GOLF
• SWING

[emncaity]

@thekino

...And ALL of this because, apparently, it wasn't good enough for you that I called the guy the most skilled player of his generation, a man among boys mentally (which he certainly is, in terms of his competitive ability). But that's not enough; I also have to agree that whatever he's done in his "personal" life can't matter at all to any overall assessment of Woods as a champion, historically or otherwise.

[emncaity]

@thekino

Not only that, the failings really weren't limited to the "personal." Not as long as marriage is a public institution with public benefits; not as long as his fame, his contracts, his character, and moral turpitude clauses in his contracts are all bound up together. It isn't the same when you're talking about a public figure.

[emncaity]

@thekino

...You want to pose the choice as being only between literal perfection and any amount of bad stuff a public figure can do, as if there were no difference between one speeding ticket in a 50-year public career and banging every cocktail waitress and aspiring porn star you can find for years on end. Again, if you want to make that case, go ahead. I do think there's a difference; it does vary with the offense, both in degree and kind, and also with what the reason is for the fame.

[emncaity]

@thekino

...that's simply the thing you're doing here that so many politicians do: You pose as the only alternative to your own viewpoint some other viewpoint that is completely ridiculous and unacceptable, as if it were the _only_ one. I'm not talking about all "great" people and all possible flaws, or one slip-up, or a "relationship failing," etc. I'm talking about the most skilled player of his generation who had sex with (at least) dozens of women other than his wife...

[emncaity]

@thekino

Actually, it's a combination of straw man and false dichotomy: Straw man, in that you're extending the argument in a way I never stated nor would I support ("if you're going to fault everyone, etc."). I'm talking specifically about golfers and the traditional idea that in golf, character is supposed to matter in a champion. If you want to argue against that , be my guest.

As for false dichotomy...

[emncaity]

@thekino

"Get over myself"? Bite me.

First of all, if you think any sports reporter wouldn't have given anything to get this kind of dirt on somebody like Nicklaus, Palmer, Hogan, et al., you're too naive to be in this discussion. The idea that it is only the "progression of media and technology" that outed Woods is ridiculous.

As for the rest of your argument, it's the typical false dichotomy that convinces stupid people, but not anybody with an ounce of intelligence....

[thekino]

@emncaity Dude, if you're going to fault everyone who society deems "great" due to their personal and/or relationship failings - you're going to be left with nobody left to admire. Throughout history there have always been people who are admired while they are doing "immoral" things that contrast with their public image. And guess what, with the progression of media and technology, there are going to be fewer and people that can live up to your high moral code. Also, get over yourself.

[emncaity]

@hawaiicy

Also: Most people don't notice that his mechanics are bascially the same as Jack Grout taught Nicklaus--fully extended arm swing, resistance with the lower body against a big turn, power from the ground up, left side leading through and past impact, etc. The one missing piece is that Tiger's head moves around too much, esp. when he's going at it too hard, but on his best weeks he does it noticeably less. If he controlled that all the time, his consistency would make him terrifying.

[emncaity]

@hawaiicy

As much as I hate what he did to his wife and kids, and as much as I hate the way he seems to think the entire world revolves around him (refusing to stop cursing on camera with millions of kids watching, refusing to sign a ball for charity, etc.), what you're saying here is really true. He's a man among boys mentally, the only guy who acts like he _has_ to win or go home to work at the gas station, and he does have one of the best swings in history.

[RailayProductions]

@stfuuuuuuuuu i agree with you.