@EmilReiko Oh I agree with you that most reenactors look like gold-clad, sword-wearing Hell's Angels. I was just stating that linen may not have been restricted only to the very wealthy... You are correct, your average farmer would not have worn linen until later on. But your average professional warrior might have. Fact is clothing finds are rare enough to leave a lot of room for conjecture. At the very least, I completely agree that wool was the norm.
@kingolaf99 and im tired of seeing "historical" reenactors running around in linen pants and linen tunics and with all sorts of bling claiming they are the common ordinary casual man. Many of these reenacting events looks like exclusive gatherings of jarls and others from the norse "jetset"..
@kingolaf99 The first real price drop in linen came towards the later parts of the medival ages - before that it it was rare amongst medieval peasants - even though trade infrastructure was much more developed, and thus able to lower prices - compared to what existed in the viking age. Also the main bulk of norse society consisted of subsistence peasants - historically, anywhere in the world.. this kind of people are self sufficient and accumulate only a small tradeable surplus.
@WitheringintheDark There is no historial evidence og gambeson armour amongst vikings (and very little of its existence in western europe alltogether before the 11th century) and the closest we come to viking leather armor is a magical hide shirt in a saga. Helmets yes, Shields Yes - together these two makes an exelent defence against the main threat on west european battlefields - the spear.
@EmilReiko What evidence do you have to suggest linen was expensive? It was probably more expensive than wool, but doubtfully something that only the very wealthy would have owned... Silk on the other hand was prohibitively expensive.
@WitheringintheDark True. But by that logic, we might as well say there's no proof they did NOT wear little pink bows on all their magical reindeer armor, so maybe they did... The fact of the matter is that you are right, leather and padded armors probably were used and were probably more widespread than mail. BUT helms were also very expensive,and most fighting men during this period probably did not own one.
You want to get technical there isn't widespread proof they wore helmets mail or even shields either considering the FEW surviving examples, doesn't change the fact that these items and reindeer hide ect. are mention as being used in the sagas. At any rate the odds of something made of leather surviving to this day are roughly slim to non, it rots away after a time. There isn't widespread proof that they did Not wear those things either.
@WitheringintheDark, I have yet to see any proof of widespread use of gambesons or leather armour by vikings. Also i think it makes sense that they did not rely on armour because of tribal traditions, warfare through raiding and reliance of shields in combat.
@EmilReiko Oh I agree with you that most reenactors look like gold-clad, sword-wearing Hell's Angels. I was just stating that linen may not have been restricted only to the very wealthy... You are correct, your average farmer would not have worn linen until later on. But your average professional warrior might have. Fact is clothing finds are rare enough to leave a lot of room for conjecture. At the very least, I completely agree that wool was the norm.
kingolaf99 1 week ago
@kingolaf99 and im tired of seeing "historical" reenactors running around in linen pants and linen tunics and with all sorts of bling claiming they are the common ordinary casual man. Many of these reenacting events looks like exclusive gatherings of jarls and others from the norse "jetset"..
EmilReiko 1 week ago
@kingolaf99 The first real price drop in linen came towards the later parts of the medival ages - before that it it was rare amongst medieval peasants - even though trade infrastructure was much more developed, and thus able to lower prices - compared to what existed in the viking age. Also the main bulk of norse society consisted of subsistence peasants - historically, anywhere in the world.. this kind of people are self sufficient and accumulate only a small tradeable surplus.
EmilReiko 1 week ago
@WitheringintheDark There is no historial evidence og gambeson armour amongst vikings (and very little of its existence in western europe alltogether before the 11th century) and the closest we come to viking leather armor is a magical hide shirt in a saga. Helmets yes, Shields Yes - together these two makes an exelent defence against the main threat on west european battlefields - the spear.
EmilReiko 1 week ago
@EmilReiko What evidence do you have to suggest linen was expensive? It was probably more expensive than wool, but doubtfully something that only the very wealthy would have owned... Silk on the other hand was prohibitively expensive.
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@WitheringintheDark True. But by that logic, we might as well say there's no proof they did NOT wear little pink bows on all their magical reindeer armor, so maybe they did... The fact of the matter is that you are right, leather and padded armors probably were used and were probably more widespread than mail. BUT helms were also very expensive,and most fighting men during this period probably did not own one.
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Welchen Durchmesser hat der rotweiße Schild und wie groß ist der/die Träger/in?
Svelger 4 months ago
Is there any books or dvd out there on this art?
geekyvince 5 months ago
@EmilReiko
You want to get technical there isn't widespread proof they wore helmets mail or even shields either considering the FEW surviving examples, doesn't change the fact that these items and reindeer hide ect. are mention as being used in the sagas. At any rate the odds of something made of leather surviving to this day are roughly slim to non, it rots away after a time. There isn't widespread proof that they did Not wear those things either.
WitheringintheDark 9 months ago
@WitheringintheDark, I have yet to see any proof of widespread use of gambesons or leather armour by vikings. Also i think it makes sense that they did not rely on armour because of tribal traditions, warfare through raiding and reliance of shields in combat.
EmilReiko 9 months ago